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buddy how you doing uh we have a

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fantastic

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show for you today and that's where i'm

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wearing my hat

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i wore the hat because it's going to be

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great so

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that's what you do you dress up for

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great stuff right

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i suppose you could go to weddings in

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pajamas

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so thanks everybody for uh joining me

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today

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uh we have a couple of great guests

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first one i am super excited to talk

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to um i haven't had too many people

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from the uh ce5 side of things

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um which is you know very interesting to

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me and of course

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he's uh about a lot more than just that

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um can't wait for you to meet him as

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and without further ado uh we have james

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engaging the phenomenon how are you good

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how you doing thanks for having me man

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yeah my pleasure dude uh so what were

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you doing today

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working out or what i actually yeah i

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moving the kids around you know in and

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out of school and

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all the fun stuff yeah trying to catch

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up on um

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research in the meantime and yeah

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you know what kind of stuff do you

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research as far as this goes

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oh uh everything i mean the current news

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you know you got to keep up with that on

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like an hourly basis these days it's

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insane

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to see how everything has you know

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the way everything is now is insane i

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never thought we'd see it

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or at least not for a while uh so but

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i i research a whole ton of stuff i mean

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that you know if i come across

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uh consciousness or or meditation

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or book or podcast uh so i'm a bit all

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over the place i guess but

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um ufos and consciousness meditation

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anything you know those are those are

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some of my favorite things

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would you say you're still trying to uh

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find your path and all this or are you

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you know is that

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an ever evolving thing ever evolving for

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yeah you know um if there's something i

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whatever i can and see how it goes if if

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it's uh moving it's moving if not uh you

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that's it next next one huh yeah there

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i really appreciate you doing this i

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mean actually i mean we've talked before

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explore this side of me because of my

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and i was making a lot of music at the

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yeah if we were gonna do something like

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i don't know i forgot what it was but

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but yeah the the music is definitely

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you know all that so

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that's awesome i don't have a lick of

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talent when it comes to music i can't

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even you know forget it

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nothing well you know other people say

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decide to put the time into for sure

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yeah but um let me i mean i

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i mean i did at the start but i like to

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more or less kind of defines you at this

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the term but what it represents

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no i mean that's just one that's one

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facet of of what i do um

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i mean i'm supportive of ce5 work

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um but by no means the ce5 define me

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and who i am and what i do you know

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that's that's too simplistic and

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in a way um yeah but uh

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you know i appreciate the the ce5

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who was um part of the cse team or the

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board of directors from 92 to 98 i

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he he in in his uh analysis

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he would say that ce5 is not yet a

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you know he'd call it like a loose um

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group of people just like a network more

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actual movement because he himself he

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rights movements where there were actual

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and things moving so um that's

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saying you know ce5 is not a movement

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what humanity has come to recognize

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as a movement right for sure

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um but what you know that's

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just kind of defining something that i

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don't know that you can so much

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to find you know in the ce5 realm at

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first time you know after i had my first

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uh it didn't take me too long to find

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out you know those methods and stuff

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um when i started looking you know yeah

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and i found the grier thing

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and i actually did his meditation thing

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although it was really creepy with his

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voice in my ears

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i think i was able to get through it but

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going just relax

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breathe your hands your hands are heavy

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i can't calm down yeah yeah no i've

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i've ended up doing it and um uh

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and i didn't nothing happened until

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so well yeah and and who's to say yeah i

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they're completely predictable

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about consciousness we wouldn't be here

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it's instantaneous now there's been

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observations to say

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that in some cases but i think that like

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there are scenarios like that where you

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know you can go out for like two days

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day and preparation work and the 65

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and uh it's not so active and then

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next week out of nowhere no meditation

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whatever you're just you come out of

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work or you come out of the gym or

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whatever you look up and and it's like

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something to say about um

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you know the phenomenon has its own

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schedule and agenda right

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it responds on its own you know on its

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there's still that unknown factor of the

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phenomenon and

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right why and that's how it does

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it's like yeah you're talking to me come

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on you're putting up this crap and now

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you can't tell me why

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yeah it's it's definitely interesting

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you know what do you think the like my

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actually like the actual sighting was

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of the whole experience sure of what i

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but why do you think at least like the

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more experiences that go along with um

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or are attached to trauma through the

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person's life why do you think it's

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why do you think the visual is attached

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to it you know

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the sighting itself yeah uh because

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it has gives us something to relate to

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there's a correlation i guess you know

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um it's something that our

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small mind can take and look at and say

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you know there's something going on here

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it's like it's so figured but i mean

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that's just my own take somebody

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yeah somebody else they're going to give

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you a completely different component but

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um related c5 and and not

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not just e5 but the contact experience

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as an awakening experience in some ways

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um but it's one that's unique in in the

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realm of metaphysics if i can even say

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uh because it's there's a

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point with with the ufos where the

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rubber meets the road

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it's not just like okay i had a remote

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view and i was like wow that's exactly

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what i drew

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there's an object there that is

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interacting with your

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your awareness your your attention um

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that's that's tangible so the you know

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there's an outside intelligence

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interacting with you and

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and that i think shatters the uh

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the you know anybody's paradigm if

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they've never experienced that before

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so i i think there is an important

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component to that where it's okay it's

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not just

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um you know it's partially subjective in

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your interpretations but

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there's an objective thing going on all

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and it's that's outside of yourself um

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you know if you know i'm i'm i know

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people can say oh everything's within

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and all that but i'm speaking you know

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kind of like an empiricist uh point of

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you say what you want well because i

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could i could also go into that

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that whole aspect of okay everything's

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part of your own reality and

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holographic projection and all that but

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let's i'm talking in the reason of

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consensual

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reality right now you know

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reality does that exist i don't know

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it's dissipating and it is there's like

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merging

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uh paradigms but it's kind of

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definitely we're seeing the fractal

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stuff going on yeah

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yeah um but yeah so i think that you

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know

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that that physical component of the

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sighting does it plays an important

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report

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part for a lot of people yeah um

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yeah like i'm you probably don't know my

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story at all

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i i'll go through it quick for you at

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least so you know where i'm coming from

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sure i had a there's a lot more to this

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so it kind of sucks just running through

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it

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i know exactly what you mean because you

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know one of my encounters

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i was just on uh unidentified celebrity

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review

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and i told one of the experiences but

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you know what i didn't say is that like

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two or three months before that

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there was a whole nother experience but

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and and there was an experience after

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the one that i told about

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but they were all related all like

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they were all part of this one event

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you know it it took it took uh part over

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several months but it was all one kind

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of thing

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you know um but yeah sorry to interrupt

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just uh no no

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yeah yeah but i know i know exactly what

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you mean you know you kind of

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go through it and it's not doesn't do it

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justice

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it's hard to start on a timeline because

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it didn't go

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uh chronologically yeah yeah yeah that's

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like

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but to go chronologically it started

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with a dream that i had about my father

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where we got a huge argument and stuff

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and it was like something i never got i

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never got like that with him before in

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my life and i couldn't

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see why that would ever happen so the

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dream stayed with me for a while

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the feeling you get where it's like that

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bad feeling we just fought and stuff

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uh just i mean i don't know if it's two

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years on the top but i just say two

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years because it's got to be

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about that two years go by um

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and a bunch of stuff happens and i found

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myself in a spot

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where i'm arguing with him and there's a

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lot of stuff in the middle of this

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but where where i'm arguing with them um

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like the dream was except it was over

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the phone and when i was doing it i

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felt myself like almost like i was in a

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script like i like i was like this is

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the dream playing out but i couldn't

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stop or do anything and it's like the

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day before

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or a couple days before and then a day

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after

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something like that i saw the two things

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and they were big white and brilliant

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um look like they were really close

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or far and huge uh they were obviously

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and yeah after you know and sometime

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i'll tell you all the

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stuff in between but it's just like the

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dream coming to fruition

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around these sightings around a big

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event

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you know i just moved into a house too

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and all this stuff and job change

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everything so it's and then you see

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these things and i'm like

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which is amazing but when i look back at

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it like that was the least

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important part of all

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yeah i almost felt like it was a sign to

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say like

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hey don't have this argument in person

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or something

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yeah well i mean it's also um

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and you know jacques villa has talked

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about how just getting into him yeah and

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yeah and actually peter lavender

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um you know they both made some really

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interesting comments about

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contact and encounters and things um you

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know one

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one uh that was extraordinary i made one

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of my little graphics for peter lavenda

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was he said

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you know the psychological effects of

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contact are

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so pronounced that it almost

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seems to be the the intent behind the

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encounter rather than a side effect yeah

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you know because it's a catalyst for

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change it's like what i was just saying

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pretty much yeah

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yeah and by again you know peter

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lavender he puts it in words so nicely

404
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right um like i was the bottom stair you

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took it up a couple stairs and then he's

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even further

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well no it's so it's this it's but

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you're you're saying the same thing this

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has been

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this is an observation that people

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either having the encounters or

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or people that know people that have the

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encounters or people who have been

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studying it like peter lavender and

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jacqueline

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uh you know they all come to this kind

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of conclusion um

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which is really interesting and uh you

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know speaking of the dreams one of my

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did you ever see my video

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uh dream time contact uh that

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that was gonna be my next one actually i

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saw it i was like oh i gotta watch that

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because my dreams

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yeah yeah so that that was a really

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interesting one just because it had to

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do with

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uh again it was like this whole this

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this one encounter was like this whole

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like day and a half of

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high strangeness and synchronicities

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beyond

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right um yeah so i was i was at work one

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day and i was working an overnight shift

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somewhere

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this is uh i can't same year like 2007.

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and uh there's a guy i worked with and

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he's super

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conservative this guy's like atheist

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um very rational minded like this is a

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good guy to go to advice to because he's

442
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not going to give you

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some kind of bs he's going to give you

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like the straight black and white

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yeah this is what you have to do you

446
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know whether you like it or not blah

447
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blah blah

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super you know down to earth guy

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um so i'm i'm working with him and

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and i'm almost done with my shift and he

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out of nowhere

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he says to me and you know he again he

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doesn't know that i'm into

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any of this stuff or whatever and he

455
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says did you hear about the

456
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the ufo sightings in mexico and i was

457
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like

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where's this coming from

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you know this is not that kind of guy

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that's going to say something like that

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um but i was like no because i i didn't

462
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hear about it

463
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um and so i was like that's kind of

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weird so whatever i just went home

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and i i went to sleep

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and again it's like in the morning now

467
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because it's an overnight shift

468
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:01,279
and i have this insane dream

469
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:04,960
that is so lucid um

470
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:08,000
i'm i'm so i'm not in the dream i'm

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driving in my car on the stream it's

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night time

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and it's in my old neighborhood where i

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used to live and

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00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:18,400
there's a this ufo over my car

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like literally like 20 20 feet over my

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car

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and it's like a orange electric orange

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plasma and you can like hear the

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electricity

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through my body

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00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:35,039
and i'm freaking out you know again

483
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because this is a dream so i'm like

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super reactive i'm not even thinking

485
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like oh why is that there or is that a

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ufo

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i was just like the reason what the hell

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is this the reality

489
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yeah i'm just driving trying to get away

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from this thing and i'm

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driving really fast and i can't get away

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from it

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and um

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i you know i turn and i'm driving

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whatever

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and i can't get away from the thing and

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the dream ends and i wake up and i'm

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like that was

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freaking like weird i just you know

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and then one of my family members

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uh comes home from work whatever they

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come into

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the house and they say to me they said

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00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:21,279
did you did you hear about the ufo

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00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:23,279
sightings in mexico and i'm like okay

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00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:26,320
screw this at this point i'm like

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you know fff all this because this is

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just

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00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:33,039
how how you know this person says to me

510
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in the morning i have this insane dream

511
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and now this person walks in and says

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the same exact thing

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that this other skeptic atheist said to

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me

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and i'm like okay you know screw all

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this i'm going to go in my car i'm going

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to go

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get something to eat because there's

519
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this chinese place down the street i

520
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used to go to a lot

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so i get my car and i'm driving and just

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like a few hundred

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00:26:01,430 --> 00:26:00,000
feet um i just see a ball of fire in the

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sky

525
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and um it's just

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it's it's just uh stationary right there

527
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and i'm like holy [\h__\h] you know i was

528
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:12,159
like this is that's a ufo

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00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:14,640
and as soon as i said that in my mind it

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started moving

531
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:17,919
and i'm like freaking out it's a

532
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:19,760
fireball in the sky you know and it's

533
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:20,559
it's low

534
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:23,120
it's a lot you know it's not like up

535
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:25,200
like some kind of star or planet it's a

536
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lot closer

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00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:29,840
and i'm you know at this i'm not scared

538
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,799
at this point because this is not the

539
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:32,400
dream this is waking reality i'm

540
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:34,080
freaking excited as hell

541
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,159
right um and i tried to chase it and it

542
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:40,400
eventually just got out of where i could

543
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:41,200
could

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00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:44,559
it anymore yeah and

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00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:47,760
um and you know i was just

546
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:51,120
i was blown away because of the the the

547
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:52,880
sequence of events itself

548
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:55,760
were more bizarre than the actual

549
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:56,720
sighting itself

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00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:58,640
you know right like the ball of fire and

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00:27:02,149 --> 00:26:59,919
in the broad daylight

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00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:02,159
because it was again it was like 3 30

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00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,799
maybe four in the afternoon

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00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:06,480
and again the thing was completely

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00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,159
stationary hovering there

556
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:10,480
and as soon as i thought you know that

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00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:12,559
that's the ufo like it was i was meant

558
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:13,039
to

559
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:15,039
recognize it or something then it

560
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:16,320
started to move

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00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,480
uh but the whole sequence of events that

562
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:20,880
led to that were way more insane

563
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,960
you know and that whole it all came

564
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:24,559
crashing down on me

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00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:26,480
like uh you know it hit me like a ton of

566
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:28,559
bricks like because i'm just my that's

567
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:31,440
kind of how i felt yeah you know because

568
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:33,279
the sighting itself was like pretty

569
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:36,799
intense but then again now i'm realizing

570
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:38,399
like everything that's going on it's

571
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:40,399
just clicking like click like a domino

572
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:42,960
effect in my mind and i'm like holy crap

573
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:49,350
when uh was on the call in the argument

574
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:51,279
like that's how you

575
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:53,039
described it as a lot better how i'd

576
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:54,720
than how i did where i was in like

577
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:57,279
auto mode like that's because everything

578
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:58,799
was clicking at the time

579
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:01,279
yeah i couldn't do anything yeah one one

580
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,000
of the crazy

581
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:04,559
things about all this is the the

582
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:07,440
experience that i described

583
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:12,159
on um unidentified celebrity review

584
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:15,120
that's the same exact location i was

585
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:16,000
just a few hundred

586
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:19,440
feet away yeah but it was the same

587
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:22,960
same location and everything um so i

588
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:26,320
i and uh and you know again in

589
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:30,159
that in that um the interview i talked

590
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:31,440
about a lot of different things

591
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:33,279
i talked about an event that happened

592
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:34,559
over there and

593
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:37,679
that event also happened uh in that same

594
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:38,480
location so

595
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:41,200
all these events took place in that same

596
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:43,200
location for whatever reason

597
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:44,480
uh maybe that could just be a

598
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:46,480
coincidence because i'm i don't think

599
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:48,960
so every time i've had a sighting which

600
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:49,679
is

601
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:51,840
i've only started having in august the

602
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:53,120
last year

603
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:55,840
i've had for sure i know of uh one

604
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:57,520
really impactful one

605
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:00,960
um and then maybe three or four others

606
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:04,159
yeah since since august in my backyard

607
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:08,720
yeah so it's like the fireballs or the

608
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:10,399
you know the orange orbs i have a video

609
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:12,559
of it i'll show you oh nice

610
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:14,799
nice yeah my wife actually saw them and

611
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,840
came

612
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:17,760
home calling me to get outside if i

613
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:19,120
wanted to see this thing

614
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:22,320
yeah yeah yeah there it was and yeah the

615
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:23,279
story

616
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:26,080
that probably has to do with uh that is

617
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:27,520
pretty dramatic too

618
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:30,000
where yeah our parents almost died on

619
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:31,520
the same exact day

620
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:34,480
oh my god yeah and we saw two of them

621
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:35,600
together

622
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:39,120
yeah yeah which uh

623
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:40,799
you know then there's always this thing

624
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:41,919
that i was thinking about when i

625
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:43,520
listened to your story yesterday

626
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:44,960
actually like

627
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:46,880
do you think a part of other people

628
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:48,880
being there to see it

629
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:52,240
is for like support purposes almost

630
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:56,159
it it could be i mean i i i often wonder

631
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:59,600
um you know i could have been unlucky i

632
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:00,880
guess you could say and

633
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:02,799
and had some of these experiences and

634
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:05,200
had nobody there and

635
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:06,799
you know it kind of would have sucked a

636
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:08,720
little

637
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,200
just like the one though is is enough

638
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,029
it is but you know each

639
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:19,760
encounter in itself is an entire

640
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:20,480
different

641
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:23,360
ball game yeah um in my experience

642
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:24,640
because there again there were other

643
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:26,399
ones that i had subsequently

644
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:29,600
even years after that that were just

645
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,640
uh absolutely incredible and you know if

646
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,240
you thought i was transformed

647
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:36,240
or if i was transformed from the events

648
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,600
that happened before

649
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:39,360
this other one that happened even a few

650
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:40,880
years later still it was again it was

651
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:41,919
like a whole nother

652
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:45,440
paradigm shift yeah yeah so you think

653
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:47,520
this will keep it happening to me

654
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:50,159
since it just kind of started i mean i

655
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:50,720
can't really

656
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:53,440
i can't say everybody's everybody's

657
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:53,919
different

658
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:56,640
and you know some some people say oh you

659
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:58,080
know if you don't want the encounters

660
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:59,840
anymore you can turn it off i've heard

661
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:01,039
that before

662
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:02,880
i know that doesn't work for everybody

663
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:05,440
um yeah no it's something that i want to

664
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:06,880
explore as much as possible

665
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,399
i'm not a person um that's uh

666
00:31:13,509 --> 00:31:12,240
ever content with the knowledge base i

667
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:13,519
have currently yeah

668
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:15,279
yeah you know for sure yeah and i want

669
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:16,640
to explore those

670
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:19,919
uh obvious things because

671
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:24,320
i i live with my soul

672
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:27,200
you know and um for better for worse i

673
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:28,640
have that on my sleeve

674
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:31,440
you know but uh but i live to be organic

675
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:32,559
and natural

676
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:35,600
and uh you know so i definitely want to

677
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:37,360
explore that more

678
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:38,960
so i think if yeah if you pursue it

679
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:41,519
you'll likely have more

680
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:44,480
you know encounters i'm sure i mean in

681
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:45,120
my case

682
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:47,360
when i went out and actually pursued it

683
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:48,720
i you know there were some

684
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:50,480
pretty incredible things that happened

685
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:52,720
yeah would you say after all

686
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:55,120
of your experiences up to this point the

687
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:56,799
ones at least that you

688
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:58,720
think you had control over like the the

689
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:00,000
contact ones

690
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:03,840
the cd5 ones yeah are you

691
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:05,440
happy you did that do you have any

692
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:07,200
regrets

693
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,000
am i thing in my in my

694
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:16,399
case there were lessons almost you know

695
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:17,039
there were two

696
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:19,519
you know learning tools well any doors

697
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:20,960
that you open that you wish you wouldn't

698
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:22,000
have i guess

699
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:25,360
like no okay but again i'm you know i'm

700
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:26,720
coming from a place where

701
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:29,600
at the beginning of the whole thing i

702
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,039
didn't really have a choice

703
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:33,600
i mean no people say oh you know you

704
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:35,840
have a soul contract and all that

705
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:38,960
and i actually don't think that's

706
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:41,519
impossible um so i'll just put that like

707
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:42,480
that but

708
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:48,230
i didn't really have a choice to begin

709
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:48,880
with but

710
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:50,799
uh i'm glad everything happened exactly

711
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:52,159
how it did i wouldn't have it any other

712
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:52,799
way

713
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:57,200
yeah oh that's where i find myself um

714
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:59,200
you know before that experience never in

715
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:00,640
a million years would i think i'd be

716
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:06,389
you know yeah for sure and being happier

717
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:07,760
than i was

718
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:10,799
you know previously so it is you know at

719
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:12,320
some point i stopped questioning and i

720
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:13,679
just go i'll take it

721
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:22,470
like uh recommend a place to start for

722
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:24,159
somebody like myself whether it be a

723
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:25,360
book or a movie

724
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:29,519
or a person um that would be trustworthy

725
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:32,960
and a good place to go what would you

726
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:36,559
suggest for ce5 yeah

727
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:39,120
sorry to be more specific yeah yeah sure

728
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:40,559
um actually

729
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:43,679
i have a friend uh her name celia hatch

730
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:46,000
and she put out a book it's you can get

731
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:46,880
it for free

732
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:48,399
she put out a book specifically so you

733
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:49,919
can put it out she can put it out for

734
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:50,880
free so

735
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:53,760
anybody interested in this topic can can

736
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,120
read the book it's called a ce5 handbook

737
00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:00,000
um there's there's some audio versions

738
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:02,080
of it on her youtube

739
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:05,519
called how to see a ufo okay

740
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:07,360
i think she has uh the gentleman from

741
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:09,280
grimerica or something reading it

742
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:11,200
um i'm not too sure because i've you

743
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:13,119
know i downloaded the pdf i actually

744
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:14,720
bought the book too just in support of

745
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:15,440
her

746
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:18,000
uh i think it's on amazon for like 6.99

747
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:21,679
or even cheaper oh that's a ripoff

748
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,599
no but you can again she has it on the

749
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:25,280
website you get it right for free yeah i

750
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:26,079
know

751
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:30,720
it's it's not like dr steven greer ce5

752
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:33,520
manual it's right these are different

753
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:34,000
approaches

754
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:37,919
to ce5 practice what you like basically

755
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:40,000
so different contact workers help her

756
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:40,960
put it together

757
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:44,960
and it's a it's a nice place to start um

758
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:48,079
but with any kind of you know

759
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:49,760
learning materials like that the number

760
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:51,520
one teacher is going to be your

761
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:52,639
experience

762
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:55,679
right so you know you got to you know

763
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:57,119
trial on error

764
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:00,720
um time out in the field

765
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:03,359
you know and again persistence again

766
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,560
just like you said about the music

767
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:06,160
whatever you put into

768
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:07,920
something right you know you're going to

769
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:10,880
get good at you know i used to be

770
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:13,440
a a toothpick look at me now right

771
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:14,320
that's just

772
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:17,520
18 years of 18 years of lifting

773
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:20,640
um yeah um so but

774
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:23,440
again yeah it's uh you know ce5 let's

775
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:24,960
see the bicep

776
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:28,640
oh man come on bro all you guys who work

777
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,000
out like showing it

778
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:32,160
no i actually don't i actually don't

779
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:33,839
because it's

780
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:36,000
no i do i do i really do it for me it's

781
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:36,880
it's my

782
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,280
it's like my sanity right it's like my

783
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:41,760
outlet over there to i can really just

784
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:44,480
get it there um yeah it really is it

785
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:45,119
really is

786
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:48,480
from it was from an early age um

787
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:50,960
you know an outlet for some of my stuff

788
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:51,680
yeah

789
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:53,440
well i mean again it's it's relative i

790
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:56,079
mean sometimes my joints are like uh you

791
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:57,920
know i feel it a little bit it's not too

792
00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:58,480
bad

793
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:01,599
blackened lungs you know yeah yeah

794
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:05,760
true true yeah um yeah everybody

795
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:08,880
you know kind of but yeah so with the c5

796
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:09,520
or you know

797
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:11,359
let's call it contact work that's

798
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:13,280
another word we use and kind of like the

799
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:14,320
uh

800
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,760
what my friend joseph burks would call

801
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:17,839
the contact underground

802
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:21,280
um the you know the more serious you

803
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:22,640
take it

804
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:25,040
uh you know the greater results you're

805
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,680
gonna get

806
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:27,599
and that's without a doubt and i i see

807
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:30,079
that in my own practice today like

808
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:33,760
if i have a week where i'm just like

809
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,040
swamped and um

810
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:39,599
i i can only do i'm only doing like a

811
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:41,440
half hour of meditation a day which you

812
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:42,640
know for me it's like i

813
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:44,079
i try to do at least 45 minutes of

814
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:45,839
meditation just for my regular

815
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:48,960
meditation practice not even ce5 stuff

816
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:51,040
um you know i might get some odd

817
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:52,480
response

818
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:55,200
um but if i if i have a week where i'm

819
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:57,280
like okay i'm gonna do like

820
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:00,400
three hours of meditation every day

821
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:03,760
including ce5 sequences like another 45

822
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,520
minutes of cd5 sequences

823
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:07,599
um either in one session or throughout

824
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:09,119
the day

825
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:11,280
there's a significant difference in the

826
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:13,520
encounters that take place

827
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:15,680
you know interesting um and again like

828
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,520
there may be a lag where it's like okay

829
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:19,280
i go out on the night that i'm supposed

830
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:19,920
to go out

831
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:23,680
and it's um there's a little activity or

832
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:25,359
maybe even not much

833
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,160
and i'll go out a night or two after

834
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:30,720
that and i just get slammed

835
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:33,440
with something that's like uh you know i

836
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:34,960
think there's something to that

837
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:37,200
because like in life too in other ways

838
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:38,960
um somebody

839
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:41,200
taught me this lesson not too long ago

840
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:42,800
actually

841
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:44,480
you keep putting energy out there

842
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:46,240
whether it's like me doing this or

843
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,160
whatever like it's going to come back to

844
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:50,640
you but the timing isn't up to you

845
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:52,640
so i haven't had years or five years you

846
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:54,480
know i have my own my own

847
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:56,480
i had this like insight you can say

848
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:57,680
right um

849
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:01,200
some years ago um and uh

850
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:03,680
and it was in relation to like telepathy

851
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:05,040
and whatever

852
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:06,880
and i was like okay so i think if i if i

853
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:09,599
get into a certain state

854
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:12,320
that um you know either the ufo

855
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:13,280
intelligence or

856
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:15,440
or whatever or even if there's another

857
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:16,560
person that like

858
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:18,000
even like a close family member i'm

859
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:19,680
trying to like reach out to or whatever

860
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:20,720
some you know

861
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:24,560
along the the the lines of consciousness

862
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:27,200
that they're not gonna re receive that

863
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:29,040
impression

864
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:32,160
uh until they

865
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:34,720
reach that same vibrational state and so

866
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,839
that and

867
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:37,440
you know until they're in that same kind

868
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:40,160
of like state of emotion and thinking

869
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:44,720
oh well that seems kind of exhausting

870
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:46,640
well yeah it's unpredictable right

871
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,400
because what if they never

872
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:50,640
but um that's just a thought i had

873
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,880
that's right no that makes sense because

874
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:55,200
for a while i was seeing i felt like i

875
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:55,920
was

876
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:57,599
things were more active at least when i

877
00:39:03,109 --> 00:38:59,520
was making those songs

878
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:03,119
and when i would actually seriously like

879
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,839
put everything into like actually

880
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:07,680
singing the words like my heart and soul

881
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:10,079
and really like be convicted with the

882
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:11,359
performance even though it's in my

883
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:11,920
bedroom

884
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:15,359
like uh that seemed to you know kind of

885
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:16,480
work

886
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,480
yeah um but when i would half-ass it or

887
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:20,400
not really give it everything

888
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:22,400
nothing well yeah if you're doing

889
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:24,079
something as like a routine even if you

890
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:25,119
have like a regular

891
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:27,760
uh meditation practice if you're kind of

892
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:28,800
just kind of

893
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:31,599
going through the motions yeah you know

894
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:32,000
it's

895
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:33,920
you're that's going to be it you know

896
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:35,200
you're going to cut it

897
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:36,640
well you know there's a yeah there's

898
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:39,119
also that same kind of idea in in the

899
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:41,040
yoga sutures of patanjali

900
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:44,880
and i i like the yoga sutras of like um

901
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:46,720
as far as yoga goes because it's like

902
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:48,400
the zen of yoga

903
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:50,960
a lot of yogas can have like uh like

904
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:52,640
fancy

905
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:54,560
philosophies and stuff like that but the

906
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:57,359
yoga sutras is very xenon it's like very

907
00:40:01,109 --> 00:39:58,720
bare minimum

908
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:01,119
straight line instruction you kind of

909
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:02,240
have to interpret it

910
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:04,079
in in kind of your own way or whatever

911
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:05,760
but it's very short

912
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:09,119
straightforward very zen and it's it

913
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:10,000
says you know your

914
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:12,319
practice you know whether you're talking

915
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:13,839
about c5 or anything else

916
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:16,880
uh you know meditation could either be

917
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:17,520
light

918
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:20,720
moderate or intense

919
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:25,040
and you know basically

920
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,400
you're going to get you know the

921
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:28,079
correlation of that so if your

922
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:30,400
practice is light you're going to make

923
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,119
gradual

924
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:33,760
process over a long period of time if

925
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:35,440
it's moderate you're going to make

926
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:39,040
you know more if say from the gym you're

927
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:40,160
gonna make more gains

928
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:42,560
yeah uh but if it's intense you know

929
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:43,839
you're really gonna

930
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:45,839
start seeing you're gonna reap benefits

931
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:46,880
sooner

932
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:51,119
yeah you know and more noticeable

933
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,400
let me ask you this why do you think

934
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:54,480
people have experiences

935
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:57,200
that are so important like that when

936
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,160
they've never

937
00:41:01,270 --> 00:41:00,480
done anything like that before i don't

938
00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:01,280
know i can't

939
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,960
yeah i mean that's you know same thing

940
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:04,560
again to happen to me

941
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:07,920
yeah um i i

942
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:09,920
i couldn't tell you i mean again there's

943
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:11,680
speculations people say oh you made a

944
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:13,040
soul contract

945
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:14,640
before you came into this life saying

946
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,240
that you're gonna have

947
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:18,160
you're gonna do this and this and this i

948
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:19,520
i have no idea

949
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:22,079
is is are some people somehow related to

950
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:23,680
the phenomenon in some way

951
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:26,160
i don't know uh is it just that the

952
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:27,599
phenomenon

953
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:31,440
takes notice of people that have um

954
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:35,280
the mind or the the awareness to notice

955
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:36,240
them

956
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:38,800
you know uh because what my very first

957
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:40,640
encounter that's exactly

958
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:43,839
what happened um the first the first

959
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,480
thing that

960
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:46,720
i heard in my mind was um he could see

961
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:47,599
us

962
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:51,119
and i was you know i was freaked out

963
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:55,760
um but i you know maybe

964
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:57,839
they're around more often and and when

965
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,880
only when we're

966
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,640
kind of like in the right frame of mind

967
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:02,400
we can perceive them

968
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:03,920
right you know i don't i don't know but

969
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:06,079
i mean there is something to say about

970
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:08,240
they can just blip into our reality full

971
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:10,160
3d whenever they want and

972
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:11,200
you know kind of what we're seeing in

973
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:13,760
the navy videos yeah i think there is

974
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:14,960
that aspect to it

975
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:17,200
see that's interesting to me yeah

976
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:18,480
because of

977
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:20,079
what we're talking about right now

978
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:22,240
seemingly kind of goes against

979
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:25,680
like um you know

980
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:30,000
um i guess these

981
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:33,200
things sitting there every day for years

982
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,800
it's gonna be impossible to have all

983
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:36,480
those um

984
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:38,319
you know navy people and everything have

985
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:40,240
emotional personal experiences they're

986
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:41,520
going through while they're seeing this

987
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:42,640
you know

988
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:48,870
a couple of them but didn't get far

989
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:50,000
enough yeah i mean

990
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:52,880
i don't i don't know ryan graves but

991
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:53,520
yeah

992
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:56,400
he you know he went on 60 minutes to

993
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:57,280
talk about this

994
00:43:02,150 --> 00:43:00,880
he was clearly moved by these encounters

995
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:02,160
you know whether he's getting a

996
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:05,040
telepathic download or just

997
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,880
interacting with these kind of objects

998
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:08,400
is you know

999
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:10,000
again it's a paradigm shifter no matter

1000
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,000
how you look at it there's something

1001
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:14,480
that is there that should not be yeah

1002
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,760
you know and you're

1003
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:18,240
witness to it yeah so that's going to

1004
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:19,359
affect you when you know

1005
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:21,440
it still has the same social and

1006
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,000
psychological effects

1007
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:26,720
that's in it there you know that's

1008
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:28,400
interesting because it can be so

1009
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:31,440
subtle that you don't notice so much

1010
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:32,720
you know because once you have that

1011
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:35,359
experience there are doors that maybe

1012
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:35,839
were

1013
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:39,040
kind of creeped open yeah sure are

1014
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,640
wide open yeah afterwards you know

1015
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,400
yeah i mean because there's people like

1016
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:46,319
that you know

1017
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:48,240
maybe dave fraver or something imagine

1018
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:50,319
you know i'm sure if you asked him like

1019
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:52,240
15 years ago you know 15 years before

1020
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:54,000
the nimitz or something 10 years five

1021
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:54,640
years

1022
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:56,079
you asked him about ufos he's probably

1023
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:58,240
like yeah you know whatever you know

1024
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,280
yeah but now i'm sure if you say ufo

1025
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:03,599
around him his eyes will light up

1026
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:04,800
you know because he's going to go back

1027
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:07,280
to that experience yeah

1028
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:10,560
and the research he's done or whatever

1029
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,240
yeah has people he's spoken to there's

1030
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:14,319
pictures of him you know with uh

1031
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:17,200
jeremy corbell george knapp uh bob lazar

1032
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:17,440
and

1033
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:20,960
lazar yeah i wonder what that's about

1034
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:24,560
they looks happy yeah yeah

1035
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:28,000
don't know interesting yeah

1036
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:36,630
yeah well what i don't know

1037
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:38,240
what are your plans what what's your

1038
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:40,960
ultimate goal is it just to learn and

1039
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:42,560
add knowledge on top of what you have

1040
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:44,079
now

1041
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:47,119
that's part of it yeah um there was i

1042
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:47,599
mean

1043
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:50,640
yeah what's the end game you know

1044
00:44:55,349 --> 00:44:54,000
i mean i there isn't really an end game

1045
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:55,359
i mean i just want to keep doing

1046
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:56,880
whatever whatever i think i could

1047
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:58,000
contribute

1048
00:45:01,670 --> 00:45:00,079
yeah you know spreading awareness no

1049
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:01,680
because the encounters i

1050
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:03,599
this is i don't know if uh this is like

1051
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:05,680
cliche or whatever but

1052
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:08,079
you know having those encounters i i i

1053
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:09,119
feel like i

1054
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:12,480
like an obligation to kind of

1055
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:15,520
um spread awareness on this topic you

1056
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:15,920
know

1057
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:20,560
paying it forward

1058
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:23,839
yeah so sure speaking of people

1059
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:26,079
that's why i'm here yeah yeah right you

1060
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:27,040
know

1061
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:30,079
doing the podcast um

1062
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:33,040
my youtube channel uh you know for

1063
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:34,880
people who are interested in ufos that's

1064
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,640
fine if you're interested in c5

1065
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:38,640
you know that's fine too or contact work

1066
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,839
or yeah or

1067
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,520
you know whatever anything i can do to

1068
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:43,680
contribute to the field in a way that

1069
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:45,520
makes sense for me i'm

1070
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:46,960
i'm happy to do because i think it's

1071
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:48,319
something that needs to be done and for

1072
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:50,480
me it's just

1073
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:51,839
something that was laid in front of me

1074
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:53,760
right yeah um so

1075
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:57,040
you took it it's just like uh for me you

1076
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:57,520
know it's

1077
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:59,280
if you want to get like philosophical

1078
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:00,960
it's almost like a dharma

1079
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:03,040
you know it's like part of your path

1080
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:04,240
sure

1081
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:07,440
yeah so i i feel um you know but i'm

1082
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:09,920
it's it's like not like oh man i have to

1083
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:10,720
do this like i

1084
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:13,359
i'm fascinated by it i love to engage

1085
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:14,720
the phenomenon both

1086
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:17,359
in your research natural right like if

1087
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:18,160
you're not

1088
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:20,720
almost doing something unnatural well

1089
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:21,200
it's i'm

1090
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:22,960
it's like when i when i'm researching

1091
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:24,640
and i'm speaking to people and i'm doing

1092
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:26,240
i don't feel like i'm working

1093
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:29,119
you know i'm doing what i feel i need to

1094
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:29,920
do

1095
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:32,480
i'm excited i'm kind of i'm interested

1096
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,000
i'm engaged

1097
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:36,720
um and that's that's been you know just

1098
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:38,160
i guess you can say in the same way when

1099
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,720
i'm when i'm

1100
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:40,800
working out and doing all that stuff i'm

1101
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:42,319
you know it's not like oh man

1102
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:43,839
i have to lift this heavy weight it's

1103
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:45,760
like man yeah let me you know i love to

1104
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:46,400
do this

1105
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:48,960
you know uh we got a comment here about

1106
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:51,040
the elizondo interview maybe

1107
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,720
someone wants to hear about that i did

1108
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:54,319
listen to that um

1109
00:47:01,829 --> 00:46:58,400
i thought you did a great job

1110
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:01,839
um especially on the slide 9 questions

1111
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:05,680
and even asking a slide 9 question

1112
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:08,160
that wasn't obviously connected to slide

1113
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:08,960
9

1114
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:10,640
to see if you would answer it like i

1115
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:12,160
think that was on the

1116
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,920
the uh uh spatial

1117
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:17,760
oh oh yeah the spatial temporal

1118
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:19,119
translation yeah yeah yeah

1119
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:21,040
yeah because i think you were good that

1120
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:23,040
was connected to slide nine but you

1121
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:25,280
you know in different terms possibly but

1122
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:26,319
yeah it was actually on

1123
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:29,359
that one was on slide seven oh okay

1124
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:32,960
seven and uh i don't have them memorized

1125
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:35,200
i don't i mean i just know because i you

1126
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:37,680
know i was going through the slides

1127
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:40,319
yeah and uh why what was the somebody

1128
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:41,680
wanted to comment on that

1129
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:43,920
well no no no just just your interview

1130
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:45,520
with elizondo in general

1131
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:48,240
um you know what i took from that to be

1132
00:47:50,309 --> 00:47:48,880
they asked

1133
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:50,319
i guess what i think but what i took

1134
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:53,280
from it was i think that was a big

1135
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:56,559
step in the right direction as far as

1136
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,160
uh changing attitude towards e5 i think

1137
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,880
um you know him saying that nobody's

1138
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:04,640
ever asked me i'm not against it you

1139
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:06,160
know i'm fine with it and all that kind

1140
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:06,800
of stuff

1141
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:09,119
i think that's a big step forward

1142
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:10,400
because

1143
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:13,200
uh everyone is allowed to do what they

1144
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:14,720
want to do

1145
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:18,800
um you know as long as it's not hurting

1146
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:22,000
anybody else you know right and um

1147
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,760
i i think uh that's the point that other

1148
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:27,440
people should really take from that

1149
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:29,119
interview because um

1150
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:30,800
i think right now there's an issue with

1151
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:33,040
like greer and elizondo and all this

1152
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:35,359
stuff kind of going on that's just like

1153
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:36,319
uh

1154
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:40,079
not important drama yeah am i a fan of

1155
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:40,559
grip

1156
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:43,920
no but it doesn't mean that i have to

1157
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:47,760
not like everybody that likes him or

1158
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:48,960
studied him before

1159
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:52,559
or you know whatever who cares yeah

1160
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:54,000
yeah you're not gonna have many friends

1161
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:55,760
if you live that way

1162
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:58,480
yeah you know no no offense to the

1163
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,559
people that are gonna take this wrong

1164
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:02,720
uh and maybe if it does offend you that

1165
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:03,920
should tell you something

1166
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:06,559
but that's so old-school ufology yeah

1167
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,800
you know that is so old-school ufology

1168
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:10,480
like oh we're gonna have these camps and

1169
00:49:13,390 --> 00:49:11,760
you know this

1170
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:13,400
we're over here and we're the

1171
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:15,119
non-materialists um

1172
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:17,280
and and any anytime people talk about

1173
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:18,319
nuts and bolts we're going to tell you

1174
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:20,000
you're all wrong you don't get it

1175
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:21,839
right no it's like dude it's not either

1176
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:23,599
or and you don't know

1177
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:26,079
period that's that's the thing it's like

1178
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:27,280
just come on

1179
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,910
yeah and if you want to do that like

1180
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:35,760
fine stay in your lane but don't go

1181
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:37,839
around smashing other people for it like

1182
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:38,400
for what

1183
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:40,720
yeah like you feel better now i don't

1184
00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:41,760
get it

1185
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:44,079
you know like oh you showed you showed

1186
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:45,280
them on the internet

1187
00:49:49,589 --> 00:49:48,400
that uh yeah that's um well that happens

1188
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:49,599
is that that

1189
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:52,960
like that's a human tendency that

1190
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:56,240
follows us in every topic

1191
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:59,440
work whatever yeah as far as uh twitter

1192
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,559
and social media though

1193
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,559
i mean that's just a really easy lazy

1194
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:04,240
way for people to

1195
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:06,880
you know get off on a little you know

1196
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:07,680
get their little

1197
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:10,800
mean streak or anger out without doing

1198
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:12,800
it to their kids or wife or dog

1199
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:15,520
you know they just get it out on twitter

1200
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:16,160
quick because it's

1201
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:18,319
so easy and you don't have to own up to

1202
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:20,000
anything you know yeah

1203
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:22,000
you can delete it or say oh that's not

1204
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:23,280
what i meant or whatever

1205
00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:27,440
like you know and uh it's just but

1206
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,920
the flip side of that with compassion is

1207
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:31,920
it's made that way

1208
00:50:39,470 --> 00:50:35,119
yeah it's made to take advantage

1209
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:39,480
of um you know that aspect of it

1210
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:41,680
non-confrontational aspect i think

1211
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:44,960
which is unfortunate but yeah i thought

1212
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:45,760
it was a great

1213
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,000
lou um

1214
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:52,800
do you want to answer a question right

1215
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:54,559
you don't have to yeah

1216
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:55,760
uh yeah if you've got people got

1217
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:57,680
questions that's fine with me uh james

1218
00:51:03,750 --> 00:50:59,760
wrote an article titled

1219
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:03,760
can you see the comment hold on uh

1220
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:05,760
the oh yeah the caudate putnam antenna

1221
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:07,280
for anomalous information

1222
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,760
it's a recommended read oh yeah that's

1223
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:11,680
that's an article that i wrote on um

1224
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:14,480
the work of dr gary nolan and dr

1225
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:15,200
christopher k

1226
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:18,800
green um green yeah yeah

1227
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:22,480
so they were doing uh

1228
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:26,640
research on experiencers and um

1229
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:28,000
you know i wrote an article on it was

1230
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:29,839
really it was a fascinating subject and

1231
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:31,760
they're doing mris and

1232
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:35,520
yeah looking for a region of the brain

1233
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:36,160
that

1234
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:40,559
the intuitive function

1235
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:44,880
so i mean they hypothesize that

1236
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:48,839
um you know the the cp the caudate

1237
00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:50,160
putinum

1238
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:52,960
could be the center in the brain which

1239
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:54,880
receives anomalous information

1240
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:57,680
intuition and the people that were

1241
00:52:02,549 --> 00:51:59,440
having experiences

1242
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:02,559
had a very highly concentrated

1243
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:05,200
um like strands and activity in that

1244
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:06,559
part of the brain

1245
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:09,280
um where intuition takes place so you

1246
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:11,200
know it was a fascinating find

1247
00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:15,280
uh that is seems very very relevant

1248
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:17,920
yeah and these your these guys i mean

1249
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:19,359
you're talking about

1250
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:21,359
these guys are bona fide geniuses you

1251
00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:22,640
know basically

1252
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:26,079
uh you know dr gary nolan and kate green

1253
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:26,960
are

1254
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:29,200
again they're like genius level people

1255
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,319
not you know

1256
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:32,400
not that they don't make mistakes but if

1257
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:34,559
if they're getting behind something

1258
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:43,510
what do you consider like a is there any

1259
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:45,200
protocol for what a download

1260
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:49,200
actually is a protocol for downloading

1261
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:50,960
like how do you know it's like for

1262
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:52,960
instance the reason i ask that is

1263
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:55,440
and this isn't uh meant in any specific

1264
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:57,040
way but um

1265
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,960
yesterday on your interview with uh

1266
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:00,480
unidentified celebrity

1267
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:03,680
review um loose talked about in

1268
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:05,520
it like something he had where he had

1269
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:06,720
inspiration

1270
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:09,040
and he had these images out of his head

1271
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:10,720
like yeah you know

1272
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:13,520
i've written like over 500 songs but

1273
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:15,599
they can't all be downloads

1274
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:18,319
no yeah so yeah for sure so the the i

1275
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:19,520
said download

1276
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:22,160
and and i guess it that makes sense in

1277
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:23,440
some way but there's also

1278
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:25,920
words yeah there's another terminology

1279
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:27,520
for what i experienced called a

1280
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:28,160
telepathic

1281
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:32,880
lock-on sounds like an air force thing

1282
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:36,240
well it's it's it's a it's a telepathic

1283
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:38,960
lock-on so i i differentiate

1284
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:41,200
like if you're in the field or you're

1285
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:43,040
having some kind of contact experience

1286
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:44,000
you can

1287
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:46,000
have experiences where you fee where you

1288
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:47,200
have impressions

1289
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:51,040
okay um and so i guess it's like

1290
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:53,599
there's almost like a psychic imprint

1291
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:54,079
and

1292
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:58,160
you get um you kind of translate it i

1293
00:54:02,470 --> 00:53:59,839
guess that's the best way i can describe

1294
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:02,480
it you're translating this impression

1295
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:09,990
um no there's there can be thought

1296
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:11,040
involved but

1297
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:13,520
yeah um you know there's also emotions

1298
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:14,319
and

1299
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:17,440
yeah yeah you know it's

1300
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:19,200
it's hard to describe but they can

1301
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:21,119
imagine the

1302
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:24,160
lock on the lock on like there's no

1303
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:27,200
question in your mind you and some other

1304
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:28,079
intelligence

1305
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:31,200
are like linked like this um

1306
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:33,440
it's another form of communication it's

1307
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:34,319
it's again

1308
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:36,240
you there's no question in your mind

1309
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:37,520
that it's going on

1310
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:40,160
it's not like you're you hear your voice

1311
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:41,440
your own voice talking in your head and

1312
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:42,960
you're like oh wait is that

1313
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:44,559
something else or is that my own voice

1314
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:46,480
like there's no there's no questions

1315
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:49,440
it's like you're certain for sure and

1316
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:50,319
again that

1317
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:52,799
when i had i had felt the voice through

1318
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:53,839
my entire body

1319
00:54:58,150 --> 00:54:56,400
right so if you if you're questioning it

1320
00:55:02,069 --> 00:54:58,160
then probably not

1321
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:02,079
well no no but that's not to be said so

1322
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:06,319
inspiration um people have considered

1323
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:08,799
a form of channeling right i guess well

1324
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:10,400
what i don't like about the inspiration

1325
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:11,760
part is like you can't just

1326
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:13,920
completely overlook yourself either no

1327
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:15,280
no no no no no no no

1328
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:17,760
no so again you're and this kind of goes

1329
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:19,200
into

1330
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:22,240
um the anomalous information stuff too a

1331
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:23,040
little bit

1332
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:27,829
you know you're when i say channeling

1333
00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:29,200
i'm not like oh i'm channeling some

1334
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:30,799
being or i'm channeling

1335
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:34,480
the angel michael or i'm channeling uh

1336
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:37,839
you know this gray from zeta reticulite

1337
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:41,920
um your your brain you know mind

1338
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:45,200
is a receiver of information and our

1339
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:47,440
entire reality is just condensed

1340
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:48,960
information

1341
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:51,599
and there are parts of it that are more

1342
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:52,960
subtle more subtle more subtle

1343
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:55,440
more subtle more subtle and so when

1344
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:56,079
you're in

1345
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:59,839
like a channeling or an inspired state

1346
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:01,680
i think you open the aperture of that

1347
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:03,040
perception up a little more

1348
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:05,200
and you're receiving more of this random

1349
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:06,319
information that's an

1350
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:09,680
infinite to the universe and and

1351
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:11,920
whatever comes in so you kind of open

1352
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:12,880
the aperture

1353
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:16,240
so there's more information and your

1354
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:20,000
brain antenna is kind of interpreting it

1355
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:22,640
through your perception so you're

1356
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:23,440
thinking

1357
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:26,720
you're feeling music so

1358
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:29,599
you're getting a extra like stream of

1359
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:31,760
information that's coming through

1360
00:56:35,589 --> 00:56:34,799
yeah um that is that your brain is going

1361
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:35,599
to translate

1362
00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:37,119
music because that's what you're feeling

1363
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:38,960
that's what your intention is right

1364
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:41,359
so it's your channeling but it's aligned

1365
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:42,240
with your attention

1366
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:45,520
and again let's talk yeah

1367
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:47,359
it could be your higher self or you know

1368
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:49,040
there's all different words that

1369
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:51,839
we use to describe the unknown but you

1370
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:52,240
know

1371
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:55,040
again it's just information so you're in

1372
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:55,280
an

1373
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:58,079
inspired state your aperture's open a

1374
00:57:00,630 --> 00:57:00,000
little and you you got an extra stream

1375
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:00,640
of of

1376
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:04,000
information coming through and it's just

1377
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:05,920
i mean i i know what the state is again

1378
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:07,440
you're in the zone you're in the flow

1379
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:08,559
state

1380
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:10,720
no that's a great uh the aperture

1381
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:12,000
lighting up the aperture was

1382
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:13,760
a great way to put it that kind of made

1383
00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:15,440
it sink in for me because

1384
00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:18,079
there are definitely times where yeah

1385
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:19,839
when

1386
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:21,119
there's there's a difference in

1387
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:24,160
inspiration and what comes from that

1388
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:26,799
different inspiration definitely and

1389
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:28,400
when you don't have any and you try to

1390
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:29,680
accomplish something

1391
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:32,799
that requires it yeah you know

1392
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:36,079
um and it can start you know small

1393
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:38,240
and it it can get like for a song for

1394
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:39,119
instance it could

1395
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:41,920
start you know it's just maybe open a

1396
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:42,799
little bit

1397
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:44,319
you know just trying going through the

1398
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:46,079
motions but

1399
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:48,319
either it's like a hidden emotion in

1400
00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:50,640
reality or something like that or

1401
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:52,480
while i'm recording i hit a sound or a

1402
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:54,000
chord that strikes me and things

1403
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:56,799
start opening up yeah that sounds pretty

1404
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:58,319
spot on

1405
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:00,400
um yeah it's cool that people like you

1406
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:02,480
are looking into this stuff

1407
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:04,079
oh yeah well and and there you go you

1408
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:06,000
know grant cameron

1409
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:08,880
he's like the download master i swear to

1410
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:10,240
god there's like

1411
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:13,040
higher forces working through this man i

1412
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:14,559
say that as a joke

1413
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:17,760
um but it's it's like

1414
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:20,000
you know he's he's somebody that's

1415
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:21,680
opened himself up

1416
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:23,760
and you can see you could see it you

1417
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:25,359
know um

1418
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:28,319
he did the uh that book with uh music

1419
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:28,720
yes

1420
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:31,280
i want to read that and uh downloads and

1421
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:32,960
like you know he was talking about uh i

1422
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:33,839
think i don't know if it was the same

1423
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:34,720
book or another book

1424
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:36,400
all these different like inventors they

1425
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:38,720
just got this download

1426
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:41,200
and they you know it was the idea for

1427
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:43,040
like an invention

1428
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:46,319
um so you know again and it's not like

1429
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:46,799
okay

1430
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:49,440
it's kind of like i understand it but

1431
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:50,000
then that

1432
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:53,760
can have an unintentional effect

1433
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:56,079
of making people who come up with things

1434
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:57,280
that aren't

1435
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:00,960
famous or big like that to maybe feel

1436
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:04,160
not as important does that make sense

1437
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:06,640
it makes sense but it's it's like yeah

1438
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:09,440
that has i mean

1439
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:11,359
i i don't see to me it's like i don't

1440
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:12,799
see the human brain

1441
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:15,839
it makes sense yeah i mean i get it i

1442
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:18,079
get the perspective but it's like you

1443
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:18,799
know that's

1444
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:20,559
that's looking at things too black and

1445
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:21,839
white i think

1446
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:24,160
yeah sure nothing really is that simple

1447
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:25,680
is it so

1448
00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:28,799
yeah um i mean if you were able to make

1449
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:32,000
this crazy creation or invention without

1450
00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:34,480
that extra stream of inspiration coming

1451
00:59:37,109 --> 00:59:36,160
through that's more you know more props

1452
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:37,119
to you

1453
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:38,799
yeah that's just nuts and bolts right

1454
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:40,400
there right because if you don't have

1455
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:42,000
any information then you're just

1456
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:45,760
making movements yeah yeah but i mean

1457
00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:46,799
again that's just that

1458
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:48,079
you know different people have different

1459
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:49,920
skill sets again if you're creative

1460
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:52,240
you're kind of depending on that flow

1461
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:54,480
uh to come through you and guide your

1462
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:55,839
process if you're

1463
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:58,559
somebody who's ultra technical you're

1464
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:00,079
working on a different

1465
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:03,119
skill set so it's they're not you don't

1466
01:00:06,150 --> 01:00:04,720
they're not comparable in that same way

1467
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:06,160
i don't think no

1468
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:07,599
no some people have both some people

1469
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:09,680
have both yeah

1470
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:13,520
that can probably be you know as good as

1471
01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:14,880
it is bad

1472
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:17,760
um you could be torn really easily if

1473
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:18,880
you have both

1474
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:21,040
you know what do you give time to more

1475
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:23,599
or how do you split it yeah but

1476
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:27,280
um we've had you for an hour and

1477
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:31,520
it was a great great hour and i

1478
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:33,040
would really love to learn more and talk

1479
01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:35,359
to you more um at any point if you have

1480
01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:36,079
time

1481
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:39,280
um you know on a personal level

1482
01:00:44,789 --> 01:00:42,720
so otherwise i think we

1483
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:44,799
are done here sir i got to go to the

1484
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:47,040
bathroom and then i have another guest

1485
01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:50,400
yeah sure yeah so you had um

1486
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:53,440
uh rather be squishy rather rather yeah

1487
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:57,040
yeah so um or you can hang out and talk

1488
01:01:01,270 --> 01:00:58,960
with us too it's up to you

1489
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:01,280
i i gotta go i got stuff to do uh i

1490
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:06,470
trust me right yeah it's like just

1491
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:08,160
kidding if you saw the way my

1492
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:09,839
my days were scheduled you'd be like how

1493
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:11,760
the hell does this guy do anything man

1494
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:13,760
yeah i know i know don't worry about

1495
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:15,119
that it's fun it's fun

1496
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:16,960
i really really am grateful and

1497
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:18,559
appreciative that you made time to do

1498
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:18,960
this

1499
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:22,400
and to allow me to pick your brain um

1500
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:25,200
i'm not finished so uh you have a great

1501
01:01:29,589 --> 01:01:27,359
rest of the day sir

1502
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:29,599
you too take care man yep you too take

1503
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:30,799
care peace

1504
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:36,079
peace all right that was fantastic

1505
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:39,280
it was a great interview um we have

1506
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:39,839
another

1507
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:41,920
great interview lined up as long as i

1508
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:45,200
don't blow it it's going to be great

1509
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:49,119
um but i have to take a s

1510
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:51,200
short break unless rather you want to

1511
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:53,520
take it and just talk for a while

1512
01:01:58,470 --> 01:01:57,520
no all right all right so i'm just going

1513
01:02:04,829 --> 01:01:58,480
to take a quick

1514
01:02:04,839 --> 01:05:15,670
right

1515
01:05:20,470 --> 01:05:16,870
i'm just kidding i wasn't saying

1516
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:23,510
oh i got you so good oh

1517
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:27,200
man how you doing rather be squidding

1518
01:05:30,470 --> 01:05:29,520
welcome to that you got me you gotta be

1519
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:30,480
sure i did

1520
01:05:34,470 --> 01:05:33,520
good one oh let me take the elevator i'm

1521
01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:34,480
just kidding

1522
01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:36,480
no i can't do that the stairs are better

1523
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:38,160
yeah yeah

1524
01:05:43,109 --> 01:05:41,520
okay so how are you

1525
01:05:44,950 --> 01:05:43,119
doing well doing well thanks for having

1526
01:05:45,990 --> 01:05:44,960
me uh yeah that was a great great

1527
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:46,000
conversation you had with

1528
01:05:50,150 --> 01:05:48,240
james this first hour thank you very

1529
01:05:52,150 --> 01:05:50,160
much yeah was great

1530
01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:52,160
yeah um that was my first time talking

1531
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:53,760
to him um

1532
01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:55,760
and yeah that was great i really enjoyed

1533
01:06:01,349 --> 01:05:57,839
it um

1534
01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:01,359
you know it it opened up a new

1535
01:06:05,349 --> 01:06:03,200
it's pushing me a little bit more

1536
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:05,359
towards an instinct i have

1537
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:08,000
let's say that um so i'm going to

1538
01:06:12,789 --> 01:06:10,799
explore that a little more

1539
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:12,799
uh yeah i'll be tuning in to see what

1540
01:06:18,309 --> 01:06:15,200
you find yeah yeah

1541
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:18,319
um yeah so how long have you had your

1542
01:06:22,870 --> 01:06:20,400
youtube channel

1543
01:06:24,069 --> 01:06:22,880
uh about a year now um kind of got into

1544
01:06:25,910 --> 01:06:24,079
it with the whole quarantine

1545
01:06:27,670 --> 01:06:25,920
craze with yeah i think a lot of people

1546
01:06:30,309 --> 01:06:27,680
did sure yeah

1547
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:30,319
no i really like the uh your videos i

1548
01:06:36,309 --> 01:06:33,119
feel like you take on um

1549
01:06:37,990 --> 01:06:36,319
you take on different aspects

1550
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:38,000
that i don't think are touched on very

1551
01:06:43,589 --> 01:06:40,079
often like the time crystals like

1552
01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:43,599
what yeah

1553
01:06:48,950 --> 01:06:46,880
like that's crazy that was a great video

1554
01:06:49,990 --> 01:06:48,960
yeah and thank you yeah there's there's

1555
01:06:52,710 --> 01:06:50,000
so much

1556
01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:52,720
weird stuff out there you know so it's

1557
01:06:55,589 --> 01:06:53,440
you know i just

1558
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:55,599
i'm constantly finding things that are

1559
01:06:59,190 --> 01:06:57,440
really interesting to me and

1560
01:07:01,910 --> 01:06:59,200
you know hopefully the others find it

1561
01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:04,710
yeah well i do i appreciate that scott

1562
01:07:06,549 --> 01:07:06,000
yeah he doesn't know what he's talking

1563
01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:06,559
about

1564
01:07:12,549 --> 01:07:09,760
but i'm just kidding

1565
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:12,559
no yeah of course scott is a a great guy

1566
01:07:17,109 --> 01:07:15,280
i feel like um

1567
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:17,119
the neat thing about so far about doing

1568
01:07:22,870 --> 01:07:19,440
this is it's attracting the right people

1569
01:07:23,349 --> 01:07:22,880
you know it like everyone seemingly who

1570
01:07:25,829 --> 01:07:23,359
comes

1571
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:25,839
is very nice and comments and has

1572
01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:27,119
productive thoughts

1573
01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:28,720
and you know good questions and

1574
01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:30,400
everything so

1575
01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:33,280
um yeah and i think the community aspect

1576
01:07:35,589 --> 01:07:34,000
of this all

1577
01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:35,599
is great i don't know about your

1578
01:07:39,270 --> 01:07:37,440
personal life but when i uh

1579
01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:39,280
i was just got together with some

1580
01:07:43,109 --> 01:07:40,640
friends virtually and

1581
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:43,119
was talking about lou elizondo and

1582
01:07:46,870 --> 01:07:44,400
they're all like

1583
01:07:47,670 --> 01:07:46,880
well we we know about lu elizondo but

1584
01:07:50,549 --> 01:07:47,680
only through

1585
01:07:52,150 --> 01:07:50,559
you rather like you know my friend group

1586
01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:52,160
aren't really engaged in this at all

1587
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:54,880
you know great to be involved in

1588
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:57,119
communities that's a great point

1589
01:08:02,230 --> 01:08:00,480
um yeah well i mean for yeah my life

1590
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:02,240
could just completely

1591
01:08:07,829 --> 01:08:05,760
switched from playing shows in concerts

1592
01:08:10,870 --> 01:08:07,839
and stuff

1593
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:10,880
um to coronavirus and

1594
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:14,160
uh weird experiences and now i have a

1595
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:16,000
live stream

1596
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:18,960
ufo podcast you know it's just like what

1597
01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:20,560
what happened but i was just telling

1598
01:08:24,149 --> 01:08:21,279
james

1599
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:24,159
like you know i find myself uh i'm

1600
01:08:28,149 --> 01:08:24,799
happier

1601
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:28,159
than i was so i'll take that what about

1602
01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:29,520
you like what was your

1603
01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:32,640
what was it just uh coronavirus or were

1604
01:08:37,590 --> 01:08:33,839
you always interested

1605
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:37,600
in um i don't want to say the wrong word

1606
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:40,400
but i guess uh

1607
01:08:45,189 --> 01:08:43,359
things that aren't normal yeah i mean

1608
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:45,199
like i've always been a fan

1609
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:48,000
fan of sci-fi x-files outer limits you

1610
01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:50,000
know those kind of shows growing up

1611
01:08:53,829 --> 01:08:52,880
but you know i was pretty much in the

1612
01:08:57,189 --> 01:08:53,839
skeptic camp

1613
01:08:57,749 --> 01:08:57,199
you know until 2017 with the new york

1614
01:09:01,669 --> 01:08:57,759
times

1615
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:01,679
frontiers you know yeah i mean it was a

1616
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:02,960
you know the first time that you know

1617
01:09:07,829 --> 01:09:05,279
mainstream media really

1618
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:07,839
gave some of their credibility behind

1619
01:09:12,229 --> 01:09:08,960
these ideas

1620
01:09:14,229 --> 01:09:12,239
right and you know i i remember my

1621
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:14,239
my brother woke me up with a text saying

1622
01:09:18,789 --> 01:09:16,159
read the new york times you know first

1623
01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:18,799
aliens aren't real and i did and that

1624
01:09:21,749 --> 01:09:20,159
was just you know down

1625
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:21,759
the rabbit hole you know shortly after

1626
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:23,520
that i listened to the

1627
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:27,040
um tom delange interview on joe rogan

1628
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:29,759
yes that really that got you interested

1629
01:09:33,669 --> 01:09:31,199
i'm sure

1630
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:33,679
yeah i mean that's it you know if i had

1631
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:35,440
listened to that before the article the

1632
01:09:37,349 --> 01:09:36,719
new york times article i would have

1633
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:37,359
thought

1634
01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:39,359
what the hell is wrong with tom you know

1635
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:41,120
yeah

1636
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:50,480
or no was he doing angels and airwaves

1637
01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:51,600
at that point

1638
01:09:56,870 --> 01:09:54,960
i wonder yeah i think so right yeah

1639
01:09:57,990 --> 01:09:56,880
yeah i'm writing some books i was like a

1640
01:10:02,550 --> 01:09:58,000
freshman when

1641
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:02,560
i was listening to blink 182. yeah

1642
01:10:05,170 --> 01:10:04,320
with the cleavage on the cover i like

1643
01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:05,180
that one boy

1644
01:10:09,430 --> 01:10:07,280
[Music]

1645
01:10:10,870 --> 01:10:09,440
they know it sounds like yeah they know

1646
01:10:13,590 --> 01:10:10,880
what cells yeah

1647
01:10:15,189 --> 01:10:13,600
oh wow you could take a lot from that

1648
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:15,199
one

1649
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:17,920
um well how do you feel about the the

1650
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:19,920
like disclosure stuff and

1651
01:10:23,669 --> 01:10:22,239
um you know how it's going do you do you

1652
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:23,679
feel like it's

1653
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:27,120
any sort of force disclosure or do you

1654
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:29,440
think this is being done

1655
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:32,960
organically you know i mean lou

1656
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:34,960
to an extent you could say he's for

1657
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:36,880
there's a force there but

1658
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:38,719
you know that could still be organically

1659
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:40,320
from his own um

1660
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:43,440
you know sincerity um so what's your

1661
01:10:47,669 --> 01:10:44,400
take

1662
01:10:49,990 --> 01:10:47,679
well i mean it's interesting right like

1663
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:50,000
in 2017 we had that new york times

1664
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:50,880
article

1665
01:10:53,910 --> 01:10:53,440
and it seemed like that was kind of a

1666
01:10:56,070 --> 01:10:53,920
false

1667
01:10:56,950 --> 01:10:56,080
start almost like that got me really

1668
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:56,960
interested

1669
01:11:00,310 --> 01:10:59,760
but it didn't really get the you know

1670
01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:00,320
the ball

1671
01:11:03,669 --> 01:11:03,120
rolling as one would think i remember

1672
01:11:05,430 --> 01:11:03,679
like

1673
01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:05,440
for months after that you know searching

1674
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:06,800
the internet every morning thinking

1675
01:11:10,390 --> 01:11:07,840
there's got to be a

1676
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:10,400
big follow-up report coming right and

1677
01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:12,719
still to the state there hasn't

1678
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:15,440
really been any big follow-up there's

1679
01:11:19,189 --> 01:11:16,159
been

1680
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:19,199
a couple you know new items that kind of

1681
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:20,800
brought the same stories up again you

1682
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:22,400
know when the dod confirmed that they

1683
01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:22,880
were

1684
01:11:26,709 --> 01:11:24,880
real unidentified stuff i think maybe

1685
01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:26,719
last year earlier this year

1686
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:29,760
and now this uap task force um yeah

1687
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:32,400
so i'm i'm really anticipating what's

1688
01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:34,080
going to be revealed here in the

1689
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:36,400
one of the eight days from now i think

1690
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:37,600
that's going to be the

1691
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:40,080
first actual major piece of new

1692
01:11:44,950 --> 01:11:41,600
information that we're going to get

1693
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:44,960
since 2017 so he has a whole disclosure

1694
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:46,640
since then i

1695
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:47,920
i don't feel like it's been forced

1696
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:48,960
because i don't feel like it's really

1697
01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:50,000
been

1698
01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:51,760
happening that much right right right

1699
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:53,440
right i know that's a good point because

1700
01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:54,560
a false start point is

1701
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:57,120
is pretty accurate i think for sure and

1702
01:12:02,870 --> 01:11:58,239
i remember when that

1703
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:02,880
when that happened and

1704
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:05,040
it didn't really necessarily sell me

1705
01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:06,960
either though for whatever reason

1706
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:09,040
i i mean i wasn't thinking like oh this

1707
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:11,040
is horror [\h__\h] what i thought was like

1708
01:12:17,669 --> 01:12:14,480
that's interesting hmm weird

1709
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:17,679
and then you know like move on and then

1710
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:19,679
unidentified would be on tv i'm like oh

1711
01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:21,280
yeah i'll check this out and then you

1712
01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:22,800
know i had my own

1713
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:24,640
experience and i was like whack wake the

1714
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:25,840
[\h__\h] up john

1715
01:12:32,790 --> 01:12:29,440
you know was your experience uh before

1716
01:12:34,709 --> 01:12:32,800
2017 like uh no no no no

1717
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:34,719
so that's but you know kind of what i'm

1718
01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:36,560
saying is like i think the experience

1719
01:12:40,709 --> 01:12:37,440
really kind of

1720
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:40,719
made me do it my mine was in um

1721
01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:42,719
i've been going over trying to figure

1722
01:12:46,390 --> 01:12:44,320
out the timeline and get a little more

1723
01:12:49,270 --> 01:12:46,400
accurate because i never really put much

1724
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:49,280
focus into that but basically everything

1725
01:12:52,630 --> 01:12:50,880
that's happened to me has been since

1726
01:12:56,709 --> 01:12:52,640
august

1727
01:12:58,790 --> 01:12:56,719
last week so and it's a

1728
01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:58,800
handful of things that have happened

1729
01:13:03,990 --> 01:13:00,719
since so

1730
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:04,000
even one very small thing that connects

1731
01:13:09,669 --> 01:13:07,280
to a dream i had in high school

1732
01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:09,679
uh which is pretty bizarre when i think

1733
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:10,640
about that

1734
01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:13,679
but yes so yeah

1735
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:16,480
like a lot of uh things right now is

1736
01:13:20,149 --> 01:13:16,960
it's

1737
01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:20,159
calm right now but you know

1738
01:13:23,189 --> 01:13:21,520
yeah i don't know yeah the whole the

1739
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:23,199
whole issue of consciousness as

1740
01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:26,480
and how it pertains to this all i find

1741
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:28,400
it's kind of one of the fringier aspects

1742
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:30,000
but it's actually kind of the

1743
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:32,960
respect yeah and it's becoming less

1744
01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:34,960
fringe and actually scientifically based

1745
01:13:38,709 --> 01:13:35,679
uh

1746
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:38,719
like that was one of my the more one of

1747
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:40,080
the ideas that i've you know put out on

1748
01:13:42,630 --> 01:13:41,520
my channel that i found most interesting

1749
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:42,640
the whole

1750
01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:45,120
scientific aspect to quantum

1751
01:13:48,550 --> 01:13:46,640
consciousness where they've

1752
01:13:50,149 --> 01:13:48,560
actually found that you know the

1753
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:50,159
listener taught me about that not too

1754
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:51,760
long ago

1755
01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:53,360
yeah yeah i mean traditionally you know

1756
01:13:55,990 --> 01:13:55,120
there's been deepak chopra and people

1757
01:13:58,229 --> 01:13:56,000
who have been

1758
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:58,239
talking about quantum consciousness but

1759
01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:59,120
they've

1760
01:14:02,790 --> 01:14:01,199
get a lot of criticism for quantum

1761
01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:02,800
mysticism saying that the

1762
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:04,480
quantum entanglement can't really be

1763
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:07,040
sustained in the wet hot environment of

1764
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:08,880
the brain but

1765
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:11,040
science has actually showed there's a

1766
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:11,920
mechanism for

1767
01:14:15,990 --> 01:14:14,080
quantum entanglement lasting inside of

1768
01:14:18,550 --> 01:14:16,000
your prey and it has a whole

1769
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:18,560
like litany of mechanisms for how it

1770
01:14:21,910 --> 01:14:19,679
happens and it

1771
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:21,920
seems all checked out and that really

1772
01:14:27,990 --> 01:14:23,600
opens the door for a lot of

1773
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:28,000
weird crazy

1774
01:14:31,590 --> 01:14:30,800
right let's do it yeah that is very

1775
01:14:35,350 --> 01:14:31,600
interesting

1776
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:35,360
um it's it's just always for me the hard

1777
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:35,920
part is

1778
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:38,800
is trying to get some sense of what's

1779
01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:40,880
what's real and what isn't and

1780
01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:42,640
you know james actually said something

1781
01:14:46,229 --> 01:14:44,719
that stuck with me as far as like i was

1782
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:46,239
asking about the download stuff or

1783
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:49,040
whatever he goes like when

1784
01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:50,560
you know that message went through like

1785
01:14:53,189 --> 01:14:52,000
his whole body and all that kind of

1786
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:53,199
stuff like you know

1787
01:14:58,790 --> 01:14:56,880
so it's but you know he was also

1788
01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:58,800
categorizing it as that's like a major

1789
01:15:03,189 --> 01:15:00,239
one and other ones maybe

1790
01:15:04,709 --> 01:15:03,199
more subtle so i can understand that but

1791
01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:04,719
yeah i definitely feel like

1792
01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:07,840
this thing that consciousness is

1793
01:15:10,310 --> 01:15:09,679
definitely at play just because of the

1794
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:10,320
freaking

1795
01:15:13,350 --> 01:15:12,800
in it maybe i've paid too close

1796
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:13,360
attention

1797
01:15:17,590 --> 01:15:15,600
for too long but throughout dreams

1798
01:15:20,229 --> 01:15:17,600
synchronicities in my life

1799
01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:20,239
um and then my experience recently with

1800
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:22,000
actually seeing something

1801
01:15:28,709 --> 01:15:25,679
um it's definitely all about that

1802
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:28,719
and you know

1803
01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:32,320
i make a point of um trying my best to

1804
01:15:36,390 --> 01:15:32,640
live

1805
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:36,400
that way so i'm not surprised i guess

1806
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:38,800
that i'm seeing things and stuff now

1807
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:39,520
yeah the

1808
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:41,760
the the concept of downloads i find

1809
01:15:45,669 --> 01:15:43,679
pretty pretty interesting like uh

1810
01:15:46,790 --> 01:15:45,679
you know luis jimenez had mentioned that

1811
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:46,800
as well and like it's

1812
01:15:50,709 --> 01:15:49,360
seems to be really kind of a historical

1813
01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:50,719
thing really right like

1814
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:52,800
people talk about their views and stuff

1815
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:56,159
like that and kind of these ideas

1816
01:15:59,270 --> 01:15:58,000
tangible like what you know and then

1817
01:16:02,070 --> 01:15:59,280
there's different levels

1818
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:02,080
to it which makes more sense to me did

1819
01:16:05,189 --> 01:16:03,600
you ever get kind of that uh that

1820
01:16:08,070 --> 01:16:05,199
download experience when you're

1821
01:16:08,870 --> 01:16:08,080
writing or doing musical stuff uh well

1822
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:08,880
one

1823
01:16:16,229 --> 01:16:12,000
kind of how i described with um uh

1824
01:16:19,189 --> 01:16:16,239
james just as far as well like music

1825
01:16:20,709 --> 01:16:19,199
at this point i can i can make a song

1826
01:16:23,189 --> 01:16:20,719
i'll put

1827
01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:23,199
i can make a song whenever i want all

1828
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:24,640
right

1829
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:28,560
but making the good song

1830
01:16:34,950 --> 01:16:31,440
really only comes if i'm in that state

1831
01:16:38,070 --> 01:16:34,960
where i'm completely opened up you know

1832
01:16:41,430 --> 01:16:38,080
and that is um

1833
01:16:43,590 --> 01:16:41,440
that comes when it it wants you know i

1834
01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:43,600
can't control that aspect of it

1835
01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:46,960
the only thing i can do is is step away

1836
01:16:51,590 --> 01:16:49,840
and i'll you know give it time away from

1837
01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:51,600
recording and writing

1838
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:53,920
and it comes back eventually usually

1839
01:16:58,870 --> 01:16:55,840
with the time in the break

1840
01:17:00,830 --> 01:16:58,880
um but yeah it's interesting how that

1841
01:17:03,189 --> 01:17:00,840
works and

1842
01:17:04,229 --> 01:17:03,199
consciousness is definitely at play

1843
01:17:06,790 --> 01:17:04,239
there

1844
01:17:08,390 --> 01:17:06,800
um because when i'm forcing something

1845
01:17:09,430 --> 01:17:08,400
and i'm not open up like that it's just

1846
01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:09,440
complete

1847
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:11,360
[\h__\h] like the chords are great the

1848
01:17:14,550 --> 01:17:13,040
structure's great whatever but you

1849
01:17:16,229 --> 01:17:14,560
listen to it there's like something deep

1850
01:17:18,550 --> 01:17:16,239
down that's just missing

1851
01:17:19,990 --> 01:17:18,560
you know you know yeah yeah you can't

1852
01:17:23,590 --> 01:17:20,000
you can't force creativity

1853
01:17:25,750 --> 01:17:23,600
if you try to if we can but

1854
01:17:27,270 --> 01:17:25,760
it it doesn't turn out well yeah yeah

1855
01:17:29,669 --> 01:17:27,280
right right yeah

1856
01:17:31,510 --> 01:17:29,679
so what what else do you do outside of

1857
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:31,520
um

1858
01:17:35,830 --> 01:17:33,360
this kind of stuff are you like an

1859
01:17:37,669 --> 01:17:35,840
artist type are you analytical type

1860
01:17:39,669 --> 01:17:37,679
what's your thing yeah yeah i come from

1861
01:17:41,830 --> 01:17:39,679
a software development background so i'm

1862
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:41,840
more of the the analytical type i yeah

1863
01:17:45,189 --> 01:17:43,440
that's maybe part of the reason why

1864
01:17:46,950 --> 01:17:45,199
although i disagree with nick west i

1865
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:46,960
feel a little bit of a affinity towards

1866
01:17:50,950 --> 01:17:47,679
him

1867
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:50,960
yeah no um yes

1868
01:17:57,750 --> 01:17:54,719
i will get into him i guess but um

1869
01:18:00,229 --> 01:17:57,760
he really pissed me off at one point but

1870
01:18:02,310 --> 01:18:00,239
you know in the end i'm not sure if

1871
01:18:03,270 --> 01:18:02,320
that's just because he made me question

1872
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:03,280
myself or not

1873
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:05,920
you know does that make sense yeah i

1874
01:18:10,709 --> 01:18:08,320
mean it is you know a very

1875
01:18:12,070 --> 01:18:10,719
sensitive topic right like people have

1876
01:18:15,189 --> 01:18:12,080
experiences that are obviously

1877
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:15,199
real to them and and yeah it's

1878
01:18:18,709 --> 01:18:17,360
hard for it is hard for people who don't

1879
01:18:22,070 --> 01:18:18,719
experience that uh

1880
01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:22,080
right to wrap their minds around it

1881
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:24,159
yeah almost next to impossible i would

1882
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:26,640
imagine because think of

1883
01:18:30,390 --> 01:18:29,120
like uh well like we were just talking

1884
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:30,400
about i wouldn't be here if it wasn't

1885
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:31,199
for my thing

1886
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:33,520
yeah but don't you find it interesting

1887
01:18:38,950 --> 01:18:34,880
if you heard lou talk about

1888
01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:38,960
uh how uh when he was an a tip it was

1889
01:18:42,390 --> 01:18:40,960
it's important to keep his emotions away

1890
01:18:44,070 --> 01:18:42,400
from this

1891
01:18:46,310 --> 01:18:44,080
you know he's got to be level-headed and

1892
01:18:49,110 --> 01:18:46,320
what i was thinking was

1893
01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:49,120
then like i hope you don't have an

1894
01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:50,320
experience

1895
01:18:58,580 --> 01:18:51,360
because that's going to become

1896
01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:00,950
[Music]

1897
01:19:05,669 --> 01:19:03,840
hedges around that question and i i i

1898
01:19:07,910 --> 01:19:05,679
wish he would uh

1899
01:19:09,350 --> 01:19:07,920
divulge just more of that information

1900
01:19:10,870 --> 01:19:09,360
yeah well he says he doesn't want to

1901
01:19:12,709 --> 01:19:10,880
taint the water or whatever it's like

1902
01:19:15,510 --> 01:19:12,719
the water is what the water is

1903
01:19:15,830 --> 01:19:15,520
you're just putting more in it you know

1904
01:19:22,630 --> 01:19:15,840
yeah

1905
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:22,640
i'm a big i'm a big you know proponent

1906
01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:23,840
of it is

1907
01:19:28,310 --> 01:19:26,640
it is what it is whatever we think you

1908
01:19:31,270 --> 01:19:28,320
know whatever our disagreements are

1909
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:31,280
there's still a truth there you know

1910
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:31,600
yeah

1911
01:19:36,070 --> 01:19:34,800
it is you know i guess there is still a

1912
01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:36,080
certain degree of a stigma

1913
01:19:40,310 --> 01:19:38,719
i guess which is probably why elizondo

1914
01:19:42,950 --> 01:19:40,320
kind of declines to say because

1915
01:19:45,110 --> 01:19:42,960
people some there was probably a certain

1916
01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:45,120
percentage of the population that would

1917
01:19:48,830 --> 01:19:47,520
maybe write him off if he said something

1918
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:48,840
they're going that way

1919
01:19:54,149 --> 01:19:51,760
yeah that's true another one of those

1920
01:19:56,310 --> 01:19:54,159
nuts on cnn

1921
01:19:57,350 --> 01:19:56,320
honey this this world's turning into a

1922
01:19:59,830 --> 01:19:57,360
[\h__\h] box

1923
01:20:00,550 --> 01:19:59,840
yeah it's a it's an interesting time

1924
01:20:02,790 --> 01:20:00,560
yeah

1925
01:20:03,990 --> 01:20:02,800
what do you do what have you been doing

1926
01:20:06,629 --> 01:20:04,000
with uh unidentified

1927
01:20:08,310 --> 01:20:06,639
celebrity review i see you're kind of

1928
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:08,320
like the intro man sometimes

1929
01:20:12,390 --> 01:20:10,880
yeah i uh try to i think that's really

1930
01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:12,400
awesome grab on to their coattails

1931
01:20:16,390 --> 01:20:13,360
that's a just a

1932
01:20:16,790 --> 01:20:16,400
fun show but uh yeah i know i i've been

1933
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:16,800
uh

1934
01:20:20,229 --> 01:20:18,880
a long time fan that's a big home phone

1935
01:20:21,669 --> 01:20:20,239
home really i've been a

1936
01:20:22,950 --> 01:20:21,679
big fan of that that show they have

1937
01:20:24,950 --> 01:20:22,960
really good conversations and i think

1938
01:20:26,790 --> 01:20:24,960
that i was uh

1939
01:20:28,229 --> 01:20:26,800
leaving a bunch of uh comments that uh

1940
01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:28,239
phoned into the show a couple of times

1941
01:20:31,830 --> 01:20:28,800
and uh

1942
01:20:34,070 --> 01:20:31,840
you're like i got yeah yeah found uh

1943
01:20:38,629 --> 01:20:34,080
louise jimenez is a stream yard password

1944
01:20:42,550 --> 01:20:40,790
oh that doesn't work because it changes

1945
01:20:44,830 --> 01:20:42,560
every time you log on

1946
01:20:47,830 --> 01:20:44,840
yes i just gotta make sure i don't log

1947
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:47,840
out

1948
01:20:54,870 --> 01:20:51,040
that's creepy i hope you're listening

1949
01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:54,880
log out now um

1950
01:20:58,310 --> 01:20:56,800
has that been a good yeah yeah good

1951
01:20:59,910 --> 01:20:58,320
experience yeah

1952
01:21:01,669 --> 01:20:59,920
it's been a real really fun experience

1953
01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:01,679
you know it's fun um yeah

1954
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:03,120
talking to you know get in you know a

1955
01:21:06,149 --> 01:21:04,800
little bit of a

1956
01:21:07,669 --> 01:21:06,159
air time with some of the guests and

1957
01:21:08,870 --> 01:21:07,679
stuff they have amazing amazing people

1958
01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:08,880
that bring in it's always

1959
01:21:12,310 --> 01:21:10,880
always fun discussions and yeah like i

1960
01:21:13,990 --> 01:21:12,320
said i really enjoy you know like this

1961
01:21:17,110 --> 01:21:14,000
conversation and all these conversations

1962
01:21:18,470 --> 01:21:17,120
with people who are up to speed with

1963
01:21:20,229 --> 01:21:18,480
these issues

1964
01:21:22,229 --> 01:21:20,239
and you know talk intelligently about it

1965
01:21:25,110 --> 01:21:22,239
yeah it's really really fun

1966
01:21:29,830 --> 01:21:25,120
yeah i that's why i don't have any real

1967
01:21:35,270 --> 01:21:33,350
hi you're my friend you're friends

1968
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:35,280
but this last year that's what we all

1969
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:36,960
had to deal with right

1970
01:21:41,270 --> 01:21:40,080
yeah yeah that's true but yeah

1971
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:41,280
i don't know i've always kind of been a

1972
01:21:45,430 --> 01:21:43,760
homebody anyways but

1973
01:21:47,510 --> 01:21:45,440
uh other than like the shows that i

1974
01:21:51,189 --> 01:21:47,520
would play um

1975
01:21:53,669 --> 01:21:51,199
what are do you have any intentions or

1976
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:53,679
expectations with all this stuff or you

1977
01:21:57,030 --> 01:21:55,120
would consider yourself just

1978
01:21:58,310 --> 01:21:57,040
like you said observer riding the wave

1979
01:22:01,270 --> 01:21:58,320
or

1980
01:22:03,830 --> 01:22:01,280
do you have any like um you know

1981
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:03,840
personal goals or anything with this

1982
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:06,159
i i don't really you know i kind of

1983
01:22:09,189 --> 01:22:08,320
treat it as a really fun hobby you know

1984
01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:09,199
i've uh

1985
01:22:11,990 --> 01:22:10,480
you know doing the youtube channel i've

1986
01:22:13,830 --> 01:22:12,000
learned a lot of video production skills

1987
01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:13,840
and stuff like that and i feel like um

1988
01:22:18,229 --> 01:22:16,320
constantly learning some maybe real

1989
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:18,239
tangible skills as well as well as

1990
01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:19,920
learning a bunch of really interesting

1991
01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:22,800
stuff and you know if i can

1992
01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:24,880
share that and anyone listens i i find

1993
01:22:30,629 --> 01:22:26,719
that a uh a success to me

1994
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:30,639
so yeah um what's in your

1995
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:33,520
uh what's queued up in your netflix

1996
01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:35,280
account

1997
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:38,960
ooh gosh hi

1998
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:41,120
not a ton actually i was uh recently my

1999
01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:42,320
netflix account was

2000
01:22:45,990 --> 01:22:44,560
hacked by some turkish hackers so

2001
01:22:48,550 --> 01:22:46,000
there's a lot of weird

2002
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:48,560
turkish uh turkish sitcoms and uh i

2003
01:23:01,510 --> 01:22:49,199
still need to

2004
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:04,470
i have been into uh the uh loki series

2005
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:07,199
of some of the marvel stuff oh yeah yeah

2006
01:23:12,149 --> 01:23:09,840
but uh uh into that i feel like there's

2007
01:23:14,470 --> 01:23:12,159
a lot of interesting concepts that uh

2008
01:23:15,910 --> 01:23:14,480
yeah are being explored there what's

2009
01:23:20,310 --> 01:23:15,920
your favorite um

2010
01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:20,320
uh alien movie or ufo theme movie

2011
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:23,440
oh man i would probably have to say a

2012
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:25,920
rival is it though rival or a riot

2013
01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:28,080
rival no that's i like that one really

2014
01:23:33,990 --> 01:23:29,600
great great flick

2015
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:34,000
i guess there's an older version too um

2016
01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:35,920
i've heard there's somebody as well

2017
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:37,120
martin sheen maybe

2018
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:38,320
i think it is or something oh

2019
01:23:46,550 --> 01:23:41,280
interesting yeah what what do you think

2020
01:23:53,910 --> 01:23:49,990
yeah yes i'll say yes i i i'm uh

2021
01:23:55,510 --> 01:23:53,920
i feel like the the last 20 years and

2022
01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:55,520
it is kind of like uh like the

2023
01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:57,679
tic-tac-toe well i say it's less full

2024
01:23:59,830 --> 01:23:58,480
actually

2025
01:24:02,470 --> 01:23:59,840
i feel like there's a it's more

2026
01:24:03,750 --> 01:24:02,480
confusing as to whether it is high-tech

2027
01:24:07,510 --> 01:24:03,760
stuff or

2028
01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:07,520
actual uap but then you know if you

2029
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:09,760
look 50 years prior to that you see all

2030
01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:10,560
the

2031
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:12,239
accounts and correlations and very

2032
01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:13,520
similar stuff people are seeing in the

2033
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:14,320
skies

2034
01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:16,880
that is almost no possibility of being

2035
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:17,440
high-tech

2036
01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:20,000
stuff so yeah i think we're being

2037
01:24:28,390 --> 01:24:27,590
yeah sure it could we could be i mean

2038
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:28,400
yeah

2039
01:24:32,790 --> 01:24:31,199
are you familiar with that concept uh

2040
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:32,800
not a hundred percent but

2041
01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:35,520
his name sounds i i thought it was some

2042
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:37,360
sort of like nazi story that

2043
01:24:40,950 --> 01:24:39,120
they were like developing this stuff or

2044
01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:40,960
something

2045
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:44,080
still my way up there

2046
01:24:47,590 --> 01:24:46,000
he's a he's an american scientist he's

2047
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:47,600
probably one of the uh

2048
01:24:51,350 --> 01:24:49,760
best amazing scientists you've probably

2049
01:24:53,110 --> 01:24:51,360
never never heard of he's

2050
01:24:54,550 --> 01:24:53,120
was like instrumental in the invention

2051
01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:54,560
of the computer and a lot of

2052
01:24:59,189 --> 01:24:56,159
uh i think maybe even the atomic bomb

2053
01:24:59,430 --> 01:24:59,199
but he's a real great you know scientist

2054
01:25:15,430 --> 01:24:59,440
he

2055
01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:15,440
would take resources and build a new

2056
01:25:21,669 --> 01:25:16,320
robot

2057
01:25:24,310 --> 01:25:21,679
the moon

2058
01:25:26,950 --> 01:25:24,320
and by doing that you'd have exponential

2059
01:25:30,629 --> 01:25:26,960
exploration of the galaxy

2060
01:25:34,629 --> 01:25:30,639
uh so that just rattled my brain

2061
01:25:35,910 --> 01:25:34,639
yeah that seems very practical

2062
01:25:37,990 --> 01:25:35,920
and you think about you know the

2063
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:38,000
arguments against contact saying that oh

2064
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:40,480
things are so far away from us right and

2065
01:25:42,950 --> 01:25:41,360
it is you know

2066
01:25:44,709 --> 01:25:42,960
impractical you know if there's someone

2067
01:25:46,550 --> 01:25:44,719
on the other edge of the galaxy

2068
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:46,560
they're probably not going to go visit

2069
01:25:50,470 --> 01:25:47,760
us first thing

2070
01:25:51,990 --> 01:25:50,480
right but if they're doing this von

2071
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:52,000
neumann probe idea and

2072
01:25:55,750 --> 01:25:54,480
exponentially exploring the galaxy they

2073
01:25:59,030 --> 01:25:55,760
don't even need to be

2074
01:26:01,189 --> 01:25:59,040
the speed of light they can be 10 or 30

2075
01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:01,199
of the speed of light and within like 10

2076
01:26:06,709 --> 01:26:03,040
million years they would have visited

2077
01:26:08,950 --> 01:26:06,719
every star in the galaxy including ours

2078
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:08,960
so if anyone gets to that point like

2079
01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:10,320
they're here they they

2080
01:26:13,510 --> 01:26:11,840
you know that's interesting they would

2081
01:26:15,910 --> 01:26:13,520
be here yeah i thought of

2082
01:26:17,910 --> 01:26:15,920
uh when i think about mars i think i

2083
01:26:20,149 --> 01:26:17,920
kind of go down that path like

2084
01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:20,159
you know you don't start with yourself

2085
01:26:23,189 --> 01:26:21,040
going there

2086
01:26:24,229 --> 01:26:23,199
you first send things and see what it's

2087
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:24,239
like you know

2088
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:26,480
get samples oh yeah that kind of stuff

2089
01:26:29,189 --> 01:26:27,760
you know and then maybe you do

2090
01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:29,199
afterwards

2091
01:26:33,669 --> 01:26:31,199
but it's it's kind of interesting where

2092
01:26:35,910 --> 01:26:33,679
technology is going to like uh yeah

2093
01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:35,920
with this we all be your live streams

2094
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:37,920
look better than this one

2095
01:26:41,669 --> 01:26:39,600
yeah i know i mean i could i could see

2096
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:41,679
in a hundred years maybe we don't even

2097
01:26:44,390 --> 01:26:43,840
leave our houses right maybe we have uh

2098
01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:44,400
these

2099
01:26:49,110 --> 01:26:46,960
virtual presences and oh my god you know

2100
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:49,120
the idea of a man's trip to the grocery

2101
01:26:52,709 --> 01:26:49,600
store

2102
01:26:53,830 --> 01:26:52,719
is is crazy you know i i think that man

2103
01:26:56,229 --> 01:26:53,840
space

2104
01:26:58,709 --> 01:26:56,239
exploration is turn into the grays and

2105
01:27:00,870 --> 01:26:58,719
lose all our muscle

2106
01:27:02,950 --> 01:27:00,880
because we don't yeah i think there's a

2107
01:27:06,310 --> 01:27:02,960
disney show about that right uh

2108
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:06,320
the robot show i don't know wall-e

2109
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:10,400
oh yeah no that's that would be

2110
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:13,199
do you watch black mirror at all i

2111
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:14,800
haven't watched them all i've watched a

2112
01:27:18,229 --> 01:27:16,320
handful of first episodes

2113
01:27:20,310 --> 01:27:18,239
like yeah those are those are pretty

2114
01:27:22,870 --> 01:27:20,320
good because they tackle like kind of

2115
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:22,880
possible real life scenarios from you

2116
01:27:29,110 --> 01:27:25,840
know the advancement of technology and

2117
01:27:30,709 --> 01:27:29,120
um that kind of totally reminds me of

2118
01:27:32,709 --> 01:27:30,719
what could be one of those episodes you

2119
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:32,719
don't leave your house no it is one of

2120
01:27:36,870 --> 01:27:34,080
their episodes actually

2121
01:27:37,750 --> 01:27:36,880
where they live in like this one

2122
01:27:40,550 --> 01:27:37,760
facility

2123
01:27:41,830 --> 01:27:40,560
and their job is to ride on a uh

2124
01:27:44,470 --> 01:27:41,840
exercise bike

2125
01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:44,480
to generate energy for like the city or

2126
01:27:46,790 --> 01:27:45,360
whatever

2127
01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:46,800
and then they go back to their living

2128
01:27:50,709 --> 01:27:48,480
quarters and

2129
01:27:52,629 --> 01:27:50,719
the walls turn into like whatever they

2130
01:27:53,030 --> 01:27:52,639
want like different realities and stuff

2131
01:27:55,430 --> 01:27:53,040
for

2132
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:55,440
worlds and so but really they never

2133
01:27:58,870 --> 01:27:56,239
leave

2134
01:27:59,669 --> 01:27:58,880
so that's pretty yeah that's they yeah i

2135
01:28:02,870 --> 01:27:59,679
don't know if that sounds

2136
01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:02,880
awful or horrifying yeah is this one big

2137
01:28:08,070 --> 01:28:04,320
truman show

2138
01:28:11,750 --> 01:28:08,080
you know yeah who knows i don't know

2139
01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:11,760
um let's see

2140
01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:13,760
are you got any other youtube videos

2141
01:28:18,629 --> 01:28:15,520
you're working on any other

2142
01:28:20,149 --> 01:28:18,639
interesting topics oh yeah yeah i

2143
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:20,159
actually kind of yeah i think someone

2144
01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:22,080
mentioned it in the uh the comments

2145
01:28:27,270 --> 01:28:24,000
actually they're talking about wolf rams

2146
01:28:29,030 --> 01:28:27,280
theories uh i am i i think my next video

2147
01:28:32,470 --> 01:28:29,040
is going to be on wolfram and his his

2148
01:28:35,350 --> 01:28:33,669
he's a really interesting guy the

2149
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:35,360
stephen wolfram he's a guy who made

2150
01:28:39,189 --> 01:28:36,719
mathematica

2151
01:28:40,149 --> 01:28:39,199
and uh some other like he's a child

2152
01:28:42,790 --> 01:28:40,159
prodigy

2153
01:28:43,750 --> 01:28:42,800
now he's a big big-time science guy and

2154
01:29:02,070 --> 01:28:43,760
he

2155
01:29:05,189 --> 01:29:02,080
universes in

2156
01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:05,199
computers and then trying to

2157
01:29:09,030 --> 01:29:06,560
iterate through all the possible

2158
01:29:10,390 --> 01:29:09,040
universes to try to find universes like

2159
01:29:12,550 --> 01:29:10,400
ours where he can

2160
01:29:13,590 --> 01:29:12,560
draw extrapolations from the computer

2161
01:29:15,910 --> 01:29:13,600
simulation to

2162
01:29:16,629 --> 01:29:15,920
to things like quantum gravity and

2163
01:29:20,629 --> 01:29:16,639
consciousness

2164
01:29:22,629 --> 01:29:20,639
it's it's some wild stuff wow

2165
01:29:24,390 --> 01:29:22,639
man things have been so rapidly what's

2166
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:24,400
what are things going to look like in

2167
01:29:28,470 --> 01:29:27,520
just even 20 years you know i think

2168
01:29:30,310 --> 01:29:28,480
everything's going to

2169
01:29:31,990 --> 01:29:30,320
look completely different like i

2170
01:29:32,870 --> 01:29:32,000
probably won't even have a monitor it'll

2171
01:29:35,110 --> 01:29:32,880
be a

2172
01:29:37,030 --> 01:29:35,120
hologram version of your face right here

2173
01:29:39,110 --> 01:29:37,040
sitting on my desk

2174
01:29:40,550 --> 01:29:39,120
yeah you know i think that the next you

2175
01:29:42,790 --> 01:29:40,560
know

2176
01:29:44,629 --> 01:29:42,800
the whole world of quantum and like

2177
01:29:45,350 --> 01:29:44,639
quantum technology i think that's going

2178
01:29:47,030 --> 01:29:45,360
to be

2179
01:29:49,189 --> 01:29:47,040
the words huge and i think it's going to

2180
01:29:54,229 --> 01:29:49,199
be even unpredictable now

2181
01:29:58,709 --> 01:29:56,310
with that stuff to start integrating it

2182
01:30:02,629 --> 01:29:58,719
into like commercial

2183
01:30:04,390 --> 01:30:02,639
you know ways yeah that's

2184
01:30:09,669 --> 01:30:04,400
that's the question right who knows who

2185
01:30:15,270 --> 01:30:13,350
yeah yeah there's a lot of it like like

2186
01:30:18,790 --> 01:30:15,280
the time crystal stuff like a lot of it

2187
01:30:20,310 --> 01:30:18,800
is still they're just making these early

2188
01:30:22,149 --> 01:30:20,320
discoveries and like

2189
01:30:23,830 --> 01:30:22,159
you look at the time time crystals like

2190
01:30:25,110 --> 01:30:23,840
the media articles covering them and

2191
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:25,120
even the

2192
01:30:28,870 --> 01:30:26,880
scientific quotes from scientists

2193
01:30:31,030 --> 01:30:28,880
they're all talk about how

2194
01:30:32,830 --> 01:30:31,040
exciting and cool it is but then when

2195
01:30:35,990 --> 01:30:32,840
they get to the practical applications

2196
01:30:37,830 --> 01:30:36,000
there you know a very high level oh

2197
01:30:39,750 --> 01:30:37,840
this will be really cool kind of thing

2198
01:30:40,149 --> 01:30:39,760
you don't know what no one really knows

2199
01:30:41,990 --> 01:30:40,159
what's

2200
01:30:43,110 --> 01:30:42,000
what influence it's going to have that

2201
01:30:45,510 --> 01:30:43,120
well i thought that was pretty

2202
01:30:48,629 --> 01:30:45,520
interesting how you described it like um

2203
01:30:51,030 --> 01:30:48,639
it's kind of has no energy basically

2204
01:30:53,110 --> 01:30:51,040
and you'd kind of described like if you

2205
01:30:54,149 --> 01:30:53,120
were to you compared it to like a jello

2206
01:30:55,830 --> 01:30:54,159
ring or whatever

2207
01:30:57,990 --> 01:30:55,840
you touched the thing like that blew my

2208
01:30:59,990 --> 01:30:58,000
mind is how it just keeps jiggling

2209
01:31:01,750 --> 01:31:00,000
it just doesn't stop or whatever yeah i

2210
01:31:03,189 --> 01:31:01,760
mean it's almost like you kick a car or

2211
01:31:04,790 --> 01:31:03,199
something you kick a machine and then it

2212
01:31:06,870 --> 01:31:04,800
starts to hum or something you know

2213
01:31:08,470 --> 01:31:06,880
but it doesn't stop yeah i wonder if

2214
01:31:11,430 --> 01:31:08,480
that is maybe you're setting off a new

2215
01:31:16,550 --> 01:31:15,030
yeah who knows you know who knows but

2216
01:31:20,070 --> 01:31:16,560
it's fun to think about it

2217
01:31:22,070 --> 01:31:20,080
yeah yeah um yeah anything you want to

2218
01:31:24,790 --> 01:31:22,080
talk about

2219
01:31:26,709 --> 01:31:24,800
um i i saw it when you were on break i

2220
01:31:29,990 --> 01:31:26,719
didn't notice that you had a couple of

2221
01:31:31,669 --> 01:31:30,000
jazz posters in your background uh oh

2222
01:31:33,030 --> 01:31:31,679
are you are you a fan of jazz is that

2223
01:31:36,629 --> 01:31:33,040
the kind of music you play

2224
01:31:39,910 --> 01:31:36,639
uh no well this is actually

2225
01:31:42,830 --> 01:31:39,920
see uh holland wolf yeah

2226
01:31:44,149 --> 01:31:42,840
and muddy waters those are blues guys

2227
01:31:45,750 --> 01:31:44,159
okay yeah

2228
01:31:47,510 --> 01:31:45,760
i don't i don't know if you are familiar

2229
01:31:49,110 --> 01:31:47,520
with it okay

2230
01:31:51,430 --> 01:31:49,120
i don't know if you're aware of throw

2231
01:31:55,510 --> 01:31:51,440
away reddit story

2232
01:31:57,830 --> 01:31:55,520
but uh oh oh man so he's uh

2233
01:31:58,629 --> 01:31:57,840
seven years ago this guy posted on

2234
01:32:01,430 --> 01:31:58,639
reddit

2235
01:32:01,910 --> 01:32:01,440
about his alien abduction story it was a

2236
01:32:04,470 --> 01:32:01,920
actually

2237
01:32:05,110 --> 01:32:04,480
someone posted a an ask or not ask me

2238
01:32:07,430 --> 01:32:05,120
anything but

2239
01:32:09,270 --> 01:32:07,440
posted a reddit thread saying share with

2240
01:32:10,790 --> 01:32:09,280
me your abduction stories essentially

2241
01:32:11,270 --> 01:32:10,800
and it was a very popular thread they

2242
01:32:13,430 --> 01:32:11,280
got

2243
01:32:14,629 --> 01:32:13,440
hundreds of responses there was one

2244
01:32:17,110 --> 01:32:14,639
response that really

2245
01:32:18,390 --> 01:32:17,120
really stuck out and it was uh this guy

2246
01:32:20,709 --> 01:32:18,400
called throwaway

2247
01:32:23,590 --> 01:32:20,719
he created a throwaway account and he

2248
01:32:26,070 --> 01:32:23,600
gave a big long description of

2249
01:32:28,790 --> 01:32:26,080
him being contacted by and abducted by

2250
01:32:32,470 --> 01:32:28,800
aliens since like the age of 12 or so

2251
01:32:34,629 --> 01:32:32,480
and the cool thing is seven years ago

2252
01:32:37,510 --> 01:32:34,639
back you know whatever that was he

2253
01:32:41,510 --> 01:32:37,520
predicted he said

2254
01:32:44,709 --> 01:32:41,520
2021 in july he said either 8th

2255
01:32:46,790 --> 01:32:44,719
or july 18th i heard i heard them

2256
01:32:48,229 --> 01:32:46,800
talking when i was up in the spaceship

2257
01:32:50,390 --> 01:32:48,239
they're going to reveal themselves in

2258
01:32:53,030 --> 01:32:50,400
seven years and july 8th or 18th

2259
01:32:54,390 --> 01:32:53,040
oh really and yeah and so now you know

2260
01:32:56,390 --> 01:32:54,400
like you know kind of didn't think

2261
01:32:58,550 --> 01:32:56,400
anything of it back then but

2262
01:32:59,510 --> 01:32:58,560
now when we're getting the uap task

2263
01:33:01,590 --> 01:32:59,520
force report

2264
01:33:03,189 --> 01:33:01,600
in june that it seems like it's all

2265
01:33:06,709 --> 01:33:03,199
going up to that point

2266
01:33:07,189 --> 01:33:06,719
yeah man that is crazy huh yeah what one

2267
01:33:08,709 --> 01:33:07,199
of the

2268
01:33:11,270 --> 01:33:08,719
the interesting things that why i break

2269
01:33:12,310 --> 01:33:11,280
up jazz is uh one of the tidbits he had

2270
01:33:15,669 --> 01:33:12,320
was he said that the

2271
01:33:18,470 --> 01:33:15,679
aliens hate jazz music

2272
01:33:19,110 --> 01:33:18,480
specifically the uh the trumpets the

2273
01:33:22,470 --> 01:33:19,120
trumpets

2274
01:33:25,510 --> 01:33:22,480
sound like their voices so if you wanna

2275
01:33:33,030 --> 01:33:28,870
conversely though they love bluegrass

2276
01:33:34,629 --> 01:33:33,040
so they their voices sound like trumpets

2277
01:33:36,310 --> 01:33:34,639
yeah they have kind of uh what's that

2278
01:33:39,510 --> 01:33:36,320
about the aliens the aliens

2279
01:33:42,229 --> 01:33:39,520
i said who is this guy throw away it

2280
01:33:43,590 --> 01:33:42,239
on reddit yeah this guy has been uh

2281
01:33:46,870 --> 01:33:43,600
abducted since he was 12.

2282
01:33:49,189 --> 01:33:46,880
dozens of times no i i have a lot of

2283
01:33:49,910 --> 01:33:49,199
trumpet in my song so i'm like what

2284
01:33:52,550 --> 01:33:49,920
i gotta bone

2285
01:33:55,669 --> 01:33:52,560
[Laughter]

2286
01:33:57,350 --> 01:33:55,679
who is that uh yo that's interesting

2287
01:33:57,830 --> 01:33:57,360
yeah there's a lot of interesting stuff

2288
01:34:01,830 --> 01:33:57,840
out there

2289
01:34:03,750 --> 01:34:01,840
on um like it's so easy for people to

2290
01:34:05,830 --> 01:34:03,760
just go on to one of these social things

2291
01:34:07,750 --> 01:34:05,840
and like start a weird story

2292
01:34:09,510 --> 01:34:07,760
you know yeah for sure you got to take

2293
01:34:09,910 --> 01:34:09,520
everything ever with a grain of salt

2294
01:34:11,750 --> 01:34:09,920
even though

2295
01:34:12,870 --> 01:34:11,760
you know louise elizondo says and

2296
01:34:14,550 --> 01:34:12,880
everything you gotta you gotta take

2297
01:34:16,229 --> 01:34:14,560
everything with a little bit of a

2298
01:34:18,629 --> 01:34:16,239
healthy skepticism but

2299
01:34:21,030 --> 01:34:18,639
yeah and sure fun to think about yeah i

2300
01:34:23,510 --> 01:34:21,040
mean yeah you can't just be a yes man

2301
01:34:25,430 --> 01:34:23,520
you know because that's when you get

2302
01:34:27,350 --> 01:34:25,440
taken advantage of

2303
01:34:30,149 --> 01:34:27,360
which has happened uh plenty of times

2304
01:34:32,790 --> 01:34:30,159
from just saying yes to everybody

2305
01:34:33,750 --> 01:34:32,800
yeah did you listen to the megyn kelly

2306
01:34:36,790 --> 01:34:33,760
uh interview with

2307
01:34:38,310 --> 01:34:36,800
louie elizondo i know i i missed that

2308
01:34:41,830 --> 01:34:38,320
one oh okay

2309
01:34:44,790 --> 01:34:41,840
gotcha worth checking out yeah

2310
01:34:45,590 --> 01:34:44,800
yeah i mean every time he he does an

2311
01:34:49,830 --> 01:34:45,600
interview

2312
01:34:52,709 --> 01:34:49,840
um he he gives you something new

2313
01:34:53,669 --> 01:34:52,719
for sure i mean the same questions are

2314
01:34:55,990 --> 01:34:53,679
always asked

2315
01:34:57,189 --> 01:34:56,000
but he always finds a way to give you

2316
01:35:00,390 --> 01:34:57,199
some sort of

2317
01:35:02,950 --> 01:35:00,400
new information he hasn't before like

2318
01:35:04,310 --> 01:35:02,960
i think it was on megyn kelly that he

2319
01:35:07,910 --> 01:35:04,320
for sure said like

2320
01:35:10,310 --> 01:35:07,920
this isn't foreign or or ours

2321
01:35:11,990 --> 01:35:10,320
um and went to that further so you

2322
01:35:12,550 --> 01:35:12,000
should definitely listen to it yeah yeah

2323
01:35:13,990 --> 01:35:12,560
no

2324
01:35:15,750 --> 01:35:14,000
every time he talks it feels like he's

2325
01:35:17,430 --> 01:35:15,760
shining a flashlight on kind of the same

2326
01:35:19,669 --> 01:35:17,440
response but a little bit of different

2327
01:35:20,870 --> 01:35:19,679
different angles you get a little little

2328
01:35:24,229 --> 01:35:20,880
different

2329
01:35:26,149 --> 01:35:24,239
piece of piece of it well i feel like um

2330
01:35:27,910 --> 01:35:26,159
a lot of it a lot of these maybe

2331
01:35:28,870 --> 01:35:27,920
podcasts too and everything could be

2332
01:35:30,310 --> 01:35:28,880
could have been

2333
01:35:31,750 --> 01:35:30,320
you know yes he wants to get the word

2334
01:35:32,470 --> 01:35:31,760
out and everything but it's also good

2335
01:35:35,750 --> 01:35:32,480
prep for

2336
01:35:37,270 --> 01:35:35,760
going on cnn you know and practice and

2337
01:35:40,470 --> 01:35:37,280
stuff

2338
01:35:43,270 --> 01:35:40,480
yeah i mean i haven't ever seen a

2339
01:35:45,750 --> 01:35:43,280
public figure do the media rounds like

2340
01:35:47,830 --> 01:35:45,760
elizondo is doing he's he's

2341
01:35:49,030 --> 01:35:47,840
relentless he's he's going on everything

2342
01:35:52,310 --> 01:35:49,040
it's it's yeah

2343
01:35:53,669 --> 01:35:52,320
cool he really is um

2344
01:35:56,550 --> 01:35:53,679
what do you think this report's gonna

2345
01:35:58,390 --> 01:35:56,560
show if you just turn out all the noise

2346
01:35:59,189 --> 01:35:58,400
you close your eyes and you're trusting

2347
01:36:02,470 --> 01:35:59,199
your gut

2348
01:36:04,470 --> 01:36:02,480
what are we getting i so

2349
01:36:07,189 --> 01:36:04,480
i i'm excited for it i think that we're

2350
01:36:12,229 --> 01:36:07,199
going to get 120 cases

2351
01:36:15,030 --> 01:36:13,350
i mean this is coming from the new york

2352
01:36:16,070 --> 01:36:15,040
times right they said that there's

2353
01:36:18,870 --> 01:36:16,080
that's

2354
01:36:20,870 --> 01:36:18,880
was it all like real unidentified cases

2355
01:36:21,750 --> 01:36:20,880
or was it just like a sample of a you

2356
01:36:24,790 --> 01:36:21,760
know

2357
01:36:26,790 --> 01:36:24,800
120 reports yeah i

2358
01:36:28,149 --> 01:36:26,800
my interpretation of it is that there's

2359
01:36:31,510 --> 01:36:28,159
120

2360
01:36:35,189 --> 01:36:31,520
legit unidentified reports and then

2361
01:36:37,590 --> 01:36:35,199
you know my big question is i

2362
01:36:39,189 --> 01:36:37,600
i wonder about the whole jeremy corbell

2363
01:36:44,070 --> 01:36:39,199
releases prior to this

2364
01:36:45,990 --> 01:36:44,080
um i'm a little bit afraid that maybe

2365
01:36:47,109 --> 01:36:46,000
we're not going to get any details about

2366
01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:47,119
the 120

2367
01:36:51,590 --> 01:36:49,600
rio reports and that they're going to

2368
01:36:53,270 --> 01:36:51,600
give us some details about

2369
01:36:55,109 --> 01:36:53,280
kind of false positives things that were

2370
01:36:57,669 --> 01:36:55,119
originally thought to be unidentified

2371
01:36:59,350 --> 01:36:57,679
but then later determined not to be and

2372
01:37:00,950 --> 01:36:59,360
i fear that some of those videos are

2373
01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:00,960
going to be in that section

2374
01:37:05,750 --> 01:37:04,159
and then that might get some negative

2375
01:37:07,189 --> 01:37:05,760
throwback from all the media outlets who

2376
01:37:08,390 --> 01:37:07,199
are using those triangle videos and

2377
01:37:11,109 --> 01:37:08,400
everything like that but

2378
01:37:11,590 --> 01:37:11,119
yeah and i think best case scenario

2379
01:37:16,229 --> 01:37:11,600
let's

2380
01:37:19,750 --> 01:37:17,990
well what makes you fear that you know

2381
01:37:23,030 --> 01:37:19,760
like there's got to be something that

2382
01:37:25,510 --> 01:37:23,040
you know puts you there to make you like

2383
01:37:28,870 --> 01:37:25,520
yeah so it's really that triangle video

2384
01:37:33,030 --> 01:37:30,790
if what jeremy corvell is saying about

2385
01:37:36,629 --> 01:37:33,040
that triangle video is true

2386
01:37:37,030 --> 01:37:36,639
that is sure amazing that's the better

2387
01:37:39,109 --> 01:37:37,040
than

2388
01:37:41,590 --> 01:37:39,119
people forget that he said they were

2389
01:37:44,149 --> 01:37:41,600
intelligently controlled at first

2390
01:37:44,709 --> 01:37:44,159
yeah and that they're flying pyramids

2391
01:37:51,510 --> 01:37:44,719
right

2392
01:37:54,470 --> 01:37:52,870
well i mean that that was his and his

2393
01:37:55,910 --> 01:37:54,480
like fact sheet when he released it on

2394
01:37:57,270 --> 01:37:55,920
his website that they were

2395
01:37:58,950 --> 01:37:57,280
like someone told them that they were

2396
01:38:01,990 --> 01:37:58,960
referred to as

2397
01:38:02,950 --> 01:38:02,000
flying pyramids and if that yeah if

2398
01:38:06,229 --> 01:38:02,960
that's true

2399
01:38:09,030 --> 01:38:06,239
then that's like ancient aliens

2400
01:38:10,229 --> 01:38:09,040
yes that is true right here comes the

2401
01:38:15,510 --> 01:38:10,239
guy with the hair like

2402
01:38:18,390 --> 01:38:15,520
i told you all i mean obviously right

2403
01:38:18,790 --> 01:38:18,400
but i but i i'm very skeptical that that

2404
01:38:20,550 --> 01:38:18,800
is

2405
01:38:23,510 --> 01:38:20,560
the case because uh you know i think

2406
01:38:25,430 --> 01:38:23,520
that the whole voca explanation is

2407
01:38:27,189 --> 01:38:25,440
does fit what we see but there's

2408
01:38:30,470 --> 01:38:27,199
obviously a lot more data and

2409
01:38:31,590 --> 01:38:30,480
man i i really hope that they say the

2410
01:38:34,149 --> 01:38:31,600
best

2411
01:38:36,070 --> 01:38:34,159
uh boca thing to me just uh makes

2412
01:38:39,510 --> 01:38:36,080
absolutely

2413
01:38:42,550 --> 01:38:39,520
i mean sure you can do that

2414
01:38:44,070 --> 01:38:42,560
and make it look like that whatever i'm

2415
01:38:48,070 --> 01:38:44,080
not arguing that point

2416
01:38:51,189 --> 01:38:48,080
what i argue is just

2417
01:38:52,550 --> 01:38:51,199
there's no absolute there's no reason to

2418
01:38:53,830 --> 01:38:52,560
do it there's no reason to have a

2419
01:38:57,830 --> 01:38:53,840
triangle aperture

2420
01:38:59,990 --> 01:38:57,840
on a navy boat you know well that's it

2421
01:39:01,910 --> 01:39:00,000
and i mean i by no means an expert that

2422
01:39:03,270 --> 01:39:01,920
i'm i'm totally talking from secondhand

2423
01:39:05,669 --> 01:39:03,280
information when i say this but i

2424
01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:05,679
i have read that you know some people

2425
01:39:08,629 --> 01:39:07,440
specifically like military people do do

2426
01:39:11,189 --> 01:39:08,639
that so that the

2427
01:39:12,390 --> 01:39:11,199
triangle is more pronounced than a dot

2428
01:39:14,709 --> 01:39:12,400
so that they can

2429
01:39:16,470 --> 01:39:14,719
make out things in the sky a little bit

2430
01:39:18,550 --> 01:39:16,480
easier with a

2431
01:39:19,990 --> 01:39:18,560
triangle to focus on rather than just a

2432
01:39:21,590 --> 01:39:20,000
circle point of flight

2433
01:39:23,270 --> 01:39:21,600
interesting if that's true can you send

2434
01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:23,280
me that

2435
01:39:26,790 --> 01:39:25,199
uh yeah i'm not going to dig it up right

2436
01:39:30,550 --> 01:39:26,800
now but no no yeah right now

2437
01:39:33,270 --> 01:39:30,560
we'll pause it no no no but you know

2438
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:33,280
yeah but i mean i don't know because

2439
01:39:36,149 --> 01:39:33,760
that's way

2440
01:39:37,189 --> 01:39:36,159
like a hung up uh hang up of of mine on

2441
01:39:39,030 --> 01:39:37,199
that theory

2442
01:39:40,790 --> 01:39:39,040
yeah all we currently have is a video

2443
01:39:42,629 --> 01:39:40,800
though and

2444
01:39:44,470 --> 01:39:42,639
hopefully in eight days we know one way

2445
01:39:46,470 --> 01:39:44,480
or the other right like

2446
01:39:47,910 --> 01:39:46,480
yeah i think that would be a huge answer

2447
01:39:49,590 --> 01:39:47,920
that's one of the things i'm looking

2448
01:39:53,750 --> 01:39:49,600
forward to most for the report

2449
01:39:55,590 --> 01:39:53,760
actually yeah it's like i can feel

2450
01:39:56,950 --> 01:39:55,600
there's you know and i'm in this boat

2451
01:40:00,229 --> 01:39:56,960
where i'm definitely afraid of

2452
01:40:03,430 --> 01:40:00,239
uh getting my expectations up too much

2453
01:40:06,550 --> 01:40:03,440
and that's just like a normal life

2454
01:40:06,870 --> 01:40:06,560
um habit that you develop you know what

2455
01:40:09,750 --> 01:40:06,880
we

2456
01:40:10,550 --> 01:40:09,760
can yeah you know because they get

2457
01:40:14,550 --> 01:40:10,560
buried

2458
01:40:16,390 --> 01:40:14,560
every time yeah but you know what i mean

2459
01:40:19,189 --> 01:40:16,400
like life there's a way of beating you

2460
01:40:21,350 --> 01:40:19,199
yeah yeah so

2461
01:40:23,109 --> 01:40:21,360
but yeah i mean in the what do you make

2462
01:40:24,229 --> 01:40:23,119
of the recent comments coming out of it

2463
01:40:27,430 --> 01:40:24,239
like some

2464
01:40:29,590 --> 01:40:27,440
one senator said um you know

2465
01:40:30,870 --> 01:40:29,600
i'm not on the edge of my seat and the

2466
01:40:33,189 --> 01:40:30,880
other guys

2467
01:40:34,310 --> 01:40:33,199
said people will be disappointed or

2468
01:40:37,350 --> 01:40:34,320
something

2469
01:40:39,030 --> 01:40:37,360
yeah yeah no i and then one guy said

2470
01:40:41,270 --> 01:40:39,040
it's alien so

2471
01:40:43,590 --> 01:40:41,280
yeah yeah yeah it's uh how can you have

2472
01:40:45,430 --> 01:40:43,600
that different it takes

2473
01:40:46,709 --> 01:40:45,440
you know but i mean it is it was and

2474
01:40:49,189 --> 01:40:46,719
there he

2475
01:40:50,229 --> 01:40:49,199
you just look at the 2017 new york times

2476
01:40:52,709 --> 01:40:50,239
article you know that

2477
01:40:53,830 --> 01:40:52,719
kind of had similar divisive reactions

2478
01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:53,840
for people you know

2479
01:40:58,470 --> 01:40:55,360
some people thought i'm not on the edge

2480
01:41:01,590 --> 01:40:58,480
of the seat other people like me were

2481
01:41:02,950 --> 01:41:01,600
past the edge of the falling off yeah so

2482
01:41:04,629 --> 01:41:02,960
maybe it's something like that where

2483
01:41:06,550 --> 01:41:04,639
it's disgusting yeah

2484
01:41:08,149 --> 01:41:06,560
i i guess yeah what you can read into

2485
01:41:10,070 --> 01:41:08,159
this is that the skeptics are probably

2486
01:41:12,070 --> 01:41:10,080
still going to remain skeptical

2487
01:41:14,070 --> 01:41:12,080
but uh there's got to be some sort of

2488
01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:14,080
like internal

2489
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:16,320
internal thing that won't allow someone

2490
01:41:21,910 --> 01:41:18,480
to

2491
01:41:22,709 --> 01:41:21,920
accept something they don't have factual

2492
01:41:26,470 --> 01:41:22,719
proof for

2493
01:41:28,390 --> 01:41:26,480
you know like there's a it

2494
01:41:30,070 --> 01:41:28,400
i hate comparing this to like religions

2495
01:41:32,149 --> 01:41:30,080
or anything because it's not

2496
01:41:34,550 --> 01:41:32,159
but there is one similarity and that's

2497
01:41:37,830 --> 01:41:34,560
the leap of faith

2498
01:41:38,870 --> 01:41:37,840
you know that you wind up taking in this

2499
01:41:40,790 --> 01:41:38,880
one way or another

2500
01:41:42,390 --> 01:41:40,800
like and that could mean a leap of faith

2501
01:41:44,149 --> 01:41:42,400
that you think this is something crazy

2502
01:41:45,510 --> 01:41:44,159
whether it's foreign or alien

2503
01:41:46,870 --> 01:41:45,520
a leap of faith that you think it's

2504
01:41:48,390 --> 01:41:46,880
alien the leap of faith that you're

2505
01:41:51,830 --> 01:41:48,400
trusting elizondo

2506
01:41:54,709 --> 01:41:51,840
whatever um but i feel like there's

2507
01:41:56,470 --> 01:41:54,719
uh an inability for some debunkers to

2508
01:41:58,149 --> 01:41:56,480
make leaps like that

2509
01:42:00,470 --> 01:41:58,159
you know and be curious to see if they

2510
01:42:01,030 --> 01:42:00,480
do another you know aspects of their

2511
01:42:04,149 --> 01:42:01,040
life

2512
01:42:08,070 --> 01:42:06,790
yeah yeah i i think you think you're

2513
01:42:08,709 --> 01:42:08,080
right right on i think that there is

2514
01:42:11,270 --> 01:42:08,719
that

2515
01:42:12,709 --> 01:42:11,280
perspective of i will only believe

2516
01:42:14,149 --> 01:42:12,719
something that's black and white in

2517
01:42:16,310 --> 01:42:14,159
front of my face and

2518
01:42:17,990 --> 01:42:16,320
yeah i mean i think i can see that

2519
01:42:19,189 --> 01:42:18,000
perspective like like i think that there

2520
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:19,199
is some

2521
01:42:22,870 --> 01:42:21,360
some validity in that as well but it's

2522
01:42:24,310 --> 01:42:22,880
grounding it it takes away a lot of the

2523
01:42:27,750 --> 01:42:24,320
fun and the mystery of life if

2524
01:42:29,830 --> 01:42:27,760
that's that's all you right to accept

2525
01:42:31,990 --> 01:42:29,840
you should have your anchor but then be

2526
01:42:33,189 --> 01:42:32,000
able to you know fly out there and play

2527
01:42:36,149 --> 01:42:33,199
around a little bit

2528
01:42:37,109 --> 01:42:36,159
yeah you know and see what's there for

2529
01:42:42,709 --> 01:42:37,119
sure

2530
01:42:44,550 --> 01:42:42,719
i agree um all right um

2531
01:42:45,910 --> 01:42:44,560
anything you want to talk about or say

2532
01:42:48,390 --> 01:42:45,920
before we

2533
01:42:48,950 --> 01:42:48,400
ditch it project nemesis oh man i just

2534
01:42:50,390 --> 01:42:48,960
see how

2535
01:42:52,149 --> 01:42:50,400
i think that you're doing a great work

2536
01:42:53,669 --> 01:42:52,159
that's uh cool to see you calling up

2537
01:42:55,270 --> 01:42:53,679
the congressman occasionally and trying

2538
01:42:58,149 --> 01:42:55,280
to bill yeah get

2539
01:42:58,470 --> 01:42:58,159
the questions answered that's right yes

2540
01:43:00,950 --> 01:42:58,480
they're

2541
01:43:02,870 --> 01:43:00,960
very very valuable i appreciate you

2542
01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:02,880
pushing the conversation forward

2543
01:43:08,830 --> 01:43:06,239
oh yeah that's uh making calls is it

2544
01:43:10,070 --> 01:43:08,840
the easy part for sure for me at least

2545
01:43:11,830 --> 01:43:10,080
um

2546
01:43:14,709 --> 01:43:11,840
but i'm giving it a break right now i

2547
01:43:16,470 --> 01:43:14,719
feel like right now is like a

2548
01:43:18,470 --> 01:43:16,480
it's a chill time for all parties

2549
01:43:20,229 --> 01:43:18,480
involved to just like contemplate and

2550
01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:20,239
think and

2551
01:43:23,990 --> 01:43:22,000
yeah yeah i think it's got a little bit

2552
01:43:26,950 --> 01:43:24,000
of wait and see now for the west

2553
01:43:28,149 --> 01:43:26,960
next week to see what like what changes

2554
01:43:31,350 --> 01:43:28,159
are coming after this

2555
01:43:33,189 --> 01:43:31,360
to like a sales pitch like um so if i

2556
01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:33,199
you know i'm working this big commercial

2557
01:43:36,709 --> 01:43:34,480
deal or whatever

2558
01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:36,719
i'm talking to this guy and i you know

2559
01:43:40,470 --> 01:43:38,800
give him my thing and we talk

2560
01:43:42,229 --> 01:43:40,480
um i don't start hounding them right

2561
01:43:43,750 --> 01:43:42,239
away you know like calling every day

2562
01:43:46,950 --> 01:43:43,760
like hey did you make your mind up

2563
01:43:48,629 --> 01:43:46,960
i mean bad sales people do that but

2564
01:43:50,870 --> 01:43:48,639
what you got to do is then give it room

2565
01:43:52,790 --> 01:43:50,880
to breathe you know let them sit on it

2566
01:43:53,910 --> 01:43:52,800
uh come to the conclusion that they

2567
01:43:56,070 --> 01:43:53,920
would organically

2568
01:43:57,350 --> 01:43:56,080
you know yeah and that's gonna take time

2569
01:43:59,270 --> 01:43:57,360
here yeah

2570
01:44:00,870 --> 01:43:59,280
so yeah hopefully hopefully that goes

2571
01:44:04,229 --> 01:44:00,880
well i hope all the

2572
01:44:07,510 --> 01:44:04,239
the people involved that get briefed um

2573
01:44:07,990 --> 01:44:07,520
have the ability to take personal quiet

2574
01:44:11,990 --> 01:44:08,000
time

2575
01:44:15,109 --> 01:44:12,000
in with this and really contemplate

2576
01:44:16,790 --> 01:44:15,119
um you know what the right thing to do

2577
01:44:18,229 --> 01:44:16,800
is

2578
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:18,239
you know and i'm not going to be the one

2579
01:44:23,750 --> 01:44:20,400
to say what that would be without

2580
01:44:25,990 --> 01:44:23,760
having more information but

2581
01:44:29,109 --> 01:44:26,000
they will have more information and i

2582
01:44:36,229 --> 01:44:34,629
exciting times yeah

2583
01:44:37,669 --> 01:44:36,239
all right brother i'm gonna let you go

2584
01:44:39,109 --> 01:44:37,679
um

2585
01:44:40,790 --> 01:44:39,119
well thanks chad it was a great great

2586
01:44:44,870 --> 01:44:40,800
talking to you hey would you want to

2587
01:44:46,950 --> 01:44:44,880
uh co-host um ufo trivia with me

2588
01:44:49,030 --> 01:44:46,960
yeah yeah that sounds fun yeah i don't

2589
01:44:51,510 --> 01:44:49,040
know if you'd be there yet but yeah

2590
01:44:53,510 --> 01:44:51,520
let me know okay yeah that'd be cool all

2591
01:44:55,430 --> 01:44:53,520
right um

2592
01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:55,440
yeah peace out any questions for them

2593
01:45:02,629 --> 01:45:01,590
i don't know there's a leg anyways all

2594
01:45:04,870 --> 01:45:02,639
right rather

2595
01:45:05,750 --> 01:45:04,880
thanks yeah i had a great time with you

2596
01:45:07,830 --> 01:45:05,760
brother

2597
01:45:10,629 --> 01:45:07,840
every time check you later yep check you

2598
01:45:13,830 --> 01:45:10,639
later bye

2599
01:45:14,629 --> 01:45:13,840
all right um that was great that was

2600
01:45:17,510 --> 01:45:14,639
great to meet him

2601
01:45:18,070 --> 01:45:17,520
i love meeting people um that i just see

2602
01:45:20,870 --> 01:45:18,080
on the

2603
01:45:21,669 --> 01:45:20,880
the twitter's fair um but i don't you

2604
01:45:24,790 --> 01:45:21,679
know i love to

2605
01:45:26,390 --> 01:45:24,800
actually talk to people um because

2606
01:45:29,430 --> 01:45:26,400
that's where you can flesh out ideas

2607
01:45:33,669 --> 01:45:29,440
and really you know start meaningful

2608
01:45:36,310 --> 01:45:33,679
friendships relationships um

2609
01:45:37,350 --> 01:45:36,320
you know and i really appreciate this

2610
01:45:39,830 --> 01:45:37,360
opportunity to

2611
01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:39,840
to do that and you guys are awesome

2612
01:45:44,229 --> 01:45:40,880
you've been chatting

2613
01:45:46,709 --> 01:45:44,239
um thank you so much for hanging out

2614
01:45:47,830 --> 01:45:46,719
this whole time i hope you enjoyed

2615
01:45:49,510 --> 01:45:47,840
yourself

2616
01:45:51,830 --> 01:45:49,520
if you did not you can't ask for a

2617
01:45:55,669 --> 01:45:51,840
refund because i don't charge

2618
01:45:58,550 --> 01:45:55,679
um but i appreciate your time guys

2619
01:46:00,550 --> 01:45:58,560
um we will see you tomorrow i have

2620
01:46:02,790 --> 01:46:00,560
another

2621
01:46:04,950 --> 01:46:02,800
uh big day tomorrow that should be about

2622
01:46:08,790 --> 01:46:04,960
two hours worth of stuff

2623
01:46:11,669 --> 01:46:08,800
um one guess for sure

2624
01:46:13,189 --> 01:46:11,679
maybe a second surprise guest we'll see

2625
01:46:17,030 --> 01:46:13,199
the guest tomorrow is uh

2626
01:46:20,950 --> 01:46:17,040
gary um craig

2627
01:46:23,830 --> 01:46:20,960
yeah you outta know here interviewed him

2628
01:46:25,030 --> 01:46:23,840
um not too long ago so you can check

2629
01:46:27,669 --> 01:46:25,040
that out it was pretty good

2630
01:46:29,189 --> 01:46:27,679
i got him next so we'll see you tomorrow

2631
01:46:30,070 --> 01:46:29,199
i i don't know how to pronounce his last

2632
01:46:33,109 --> 01:46:30,080
name for he's

2633
01:46:36,550 --> 01:46:34,950
he seems like a super guy so we'll see

2634
01:46:40,550 --> 01:46:36,560
you tomorrow at uh

2635
01:46:44,470 --> 01:46:40,560
noon same time so it'll be late

2636
01:46:50,310 --> 01:46:44,480
and we'll pick up this conversation then

2637
01:46:55,350 --> 01:46:52,830
i don't conduct interviews have

2638
01:46:56,020 --> 01:46:55,360
conversations i'm witnessing

2639
01:46:59,669 --> 01:46:56,030
citizens